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Re: Possible data breach

Postby Tusillody » Wed Jan 02, 2019 12:13 pm

Razbae wrote:Why would someone want to login to a town of salem account that badly? People are weird.


The account information found in this breach will be used to hack accounts on other websites or services. The information was being sold in early December, so it's already being used.
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Re: Possible data breach

Postby Razbae » Wed Jan 02, 2019 12:23 pm

Tusillody wrote:
Razbae wrote:Why would someone want to login to a town of salem account that badly? People are weird.


The account information found in this breach will be used to hack accounts on other websites or services. The information was being sold in early December, so it's already being used.


Oh that makes sense. Thanks for that.
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Re: Possible data breach

Postby Chemist1422 » Wed Jan 02, 2019 12:23 pm

Tusillody wrote:The information was being sold in early December, so it's already being used.

You gonna back up that claim or?
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Re: Possible data breach

Postby sportakus1 » Wed Jan 02, 2019 12:25 pm

Changed my pass, but leaked IP and e-mail is still concerning me.

I hope this wont affect me in any way in future, otherwise I might delete my account to save myself from this mess.
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Re: Possible data breach

Postby Tusillody » Wed Jan 02, 2019 12:30 pm

sportakus1 wrote:Changed my pass, but leaked IP and e-mail is still concerning me.

I hope this wont affect me in any way in future, otherwise I might delete my account to save myself from this mess.


Deleting your account will not save you from anything. Make sure your email password is not the same as the breached password and you should be fine. In a breach like this, IP addresses are not cared for. It's the account information that can be used on other sites and services, and credit card info that is either used for return-scams or sold off.
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Re: Possible data breach

Postby S0me0ne23 » Wed Jan 02, 2019 12:33 pm

Chemist1422 wrote:
Tusillody wrote:The information was being sold in early December, so it's already being used.

You gonna back up that claim or?

Maybe linking to where that data is being sold isn't the wisest idea?
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Re: Possible data breach

Postby Dipsys » Wed Jan 02, 2019 12:37 pm

Is there actually no way to delete my account from the forums or am I just blind? I would very much like to delete it since I don't actually use this anyways. I know it doesn't undo what has happened in any way but I still don't feel comfortable continuing to have a profile here.

If it's not something I can do by myself I would greatly appreciate a staff member deleting if for me.
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Re: Possible data breach

Postby sportakus1 » Wed Jan 02, 2019 12:38 pm

Tusillody wrote:
sportakus1 wrote:Changed my pass, but leaked IP and e-mail is still concerning me.

I hope this wont affect me in any way in future, otherwise I might delete my account to save myself from this mess.


Deleting your account will not save you from anything. Make sure your email password is not the same as the breached password and you should be fine. In a breach like this, IP addresses are not cared for. It's the account information that can be used on other sites and services, and credit card info that is either used for return-scams or sold off.



Changed e-mail

Repeating, if this mess gets worse than in current state, either for this game or for me, I will request deleting the account. So far, I will keep watching.
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Re: Possible data breach

Postby Varanus » Wed Jan 02, 2019 12:38 pm

Clearly the people trying to make a profit off the info are a far more reputable source about what's in there than the actual devs
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Reminder to use a password manager so that the possible damage from these types of breaches is minimal. This isn't the first, nor will it be the last time a site you have an account on has data stolen.
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Re: Possible data breach

Postby Flavorable » Wed Jan 02, 2019 12:39 pm

Dipsys wrote:Is there actually no way to delete my account from the forums or am I just blind? I would very much like to delete it since I don't actually use this anyways. I know it doesn't undo what has happened in any way but I still don't feel comfortable continuing to have a profile here.

If it's not something I can do by myself I would greatly appreciate a staff member deleting if for me.


You have to e-mail the developers for that.
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Re: Possible data breach

Postby ICECLIMBERS » Wed Jan 02, 2019 12:39 pm

sportakus1 wrote:Changed my pass, but leaked IP and e-mail is still concerning me.

I hope this wont affect me in any way in future, otherwise I might delete my account to save myself from this mess.

Those should be nonissues. IP is vaguer than physical address, which is public information anyway. Email might cause headaches with spam but you won’t be losing money over it compared to, say, a credit card breach.
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Re: Possible data breach

Postby Tusillody » Wed Jan 02, 2019 12:40 pm

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Tusillody wrote:
sportakus1 wrote:Changed my pass, but leaked IP and e-mail is still concerning me.

I hope this wont affect me in any way in future, otherwise I might delete my account to save myself from this mess.


Deleting your account will not save you from anything. Make sure your email password is not the same as the breached password and you should be fine. In a breach like this, IP addresses are not cared for. It's the account information that can be used on other sites and services, and credit card info that is either used for return-scams or sold off.

I'm pretty sure it was clarified that no info like credit card info was touched in all this. In fact if you read the main announcement:
Achilles wrote:
Important Notes:
We don't store any credit card or payment info
All passwords were hashed and not plain text, so your emails should all be safe still if they used the same password, but you can change that as well if you are worried.

The only important data compromised would be your Username/hashed password, IP and email. Everything else is just game related data.




I did read that announcement, and I also read the breach information from DeHashed, which is way more credible considering the lack of action from the developers regarding this whole situation.

"The data affected, includes but is not limited to:

Usernames, Emails, Passwords (phpass, MD5(WordPress), MD5(phpBB3)), IP Addresses, Game & Forum Activity, & Payment Information. With some of the users who paid for certain premium features having their billing information/data breached as well."

The forum here should be up in arms over the lies and lack of real announcement. The only reason we're here on this forum to discuss this is that other sources have notified us about the breach. The developers here knew a week ago.
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Re: Possible data breach

Postby ElderSivart » Wed Jan 02, 2019 12:41 pm

Dipsys wrote:Is there actually no way to delete my account from the forums or am I just blind? I would very much like to delete it since I don't actually use this anyways. I know it doesn't undo what has happened in any way but I still don't feel comfortable continuing to have a profile here.

If it's not something I can do by myself I would greatly appreciate a staff member deleting if for me.

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tl;dr email info@blankmediagames.com and request deletion

Do note that your forum account is the SAME ACCOUNT as your game account so if it gets deleted you won't be able to play the game without making a new account and paying.
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Re: Possible data breach

Postby S0me0ne23 » Wed Jan 02, 2019 12:45 pm

Varanus wrote:Clearly the people trying to make a profit off the info are a far more reputable source about what's in there than the actual devs
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Reminder to use a password manager so that the possible damage from these types of breaches is minimal. This isn't the first, nor will it be the last time a site you have an account on has data stolen.

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Also, I don't have enough information to say whether recent payment information would be vulnerable, but if BMG says that they don't store that information, then they don't store that information.
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Re: Possible data breach

Postby Tusillody » Wed Jan 02, 2019 12:51 pm

S0me0ne23 wrote: but if BMG says that they don't store that information, then they don't store that information.


I'd love to take them at their word, but the people who notified them of their own breach say otherwise.

https://blog.dehashed.com/town-of-salem ... es-hacked/

"With some of the users who paid for certain premium features having their billing information/data breached as well."
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Re: Possible data breach

Postby Flavorable » Wed Jan 02, 2019 12:52 pm

Tusillody wrote:
KatiyaKramer wrote:
Tusillody wrote:
sportakus1 wrote:Changed my pass, but leaked IP and e-mail is still concerning me.

I hope this wont affect me in any way in future, otherwise I might delete my account to save myself from this mess.


Deleting your account will not save you from anything. Make sure your email password is not the same as the breached password and you should be fine. In a breach like this, IP addresses are not cared for. It's the account information that can be used on other sites and services, and credit card info that is either used for return-scams or sold off.

I'm pretty sure it was clarified that no info like credit card info was touched in all this. In fact if you read the main announcement:
Achilles wrote:
Important Notes:
We don't store any credit card or payment info
All passwords were hashed and not plain text, so your emails should all be safe still if they used the same password, but you can change that as well if you are worried.

The only important data compromised would be your Username/hashed password, IP and email. Everything else is just game related data.




I did read that announcement, and I also read the breach information from DeHashed, which is way more credible considering the lack of action from the developers regarding this whole situation.

"The data affected, includes but is not limited to:

Usernames, Emails, Passwords (phpass, MD5(WordPress), MD5(phpBB3)), IP Addresses, Game & Forum Activity, & Payment Information. With some of the users who paid for certain premium features having their billing information/data breached as well."

The forum here should be up in arms over the lies and lack of real announcement. The only reason we're here on this forum to discuss this is that other sources have notified us about the breach. The developers here knew a week ago.


A website that profits from security breaches and doesn't post a source of the actual data leaked, and makes claims of contact without being able to back them up with physical proof is not something I am going to believe over Developers. If you do, that's your prerogative, but personally, I'd rather go with something I know and trust. It's quite obvious that no payment info is stored, because if it had been, people would have become victims of creditcard fraud by now. Not to mention that the Developers have literally -just- been made aware of this, since they were absent for the holidays and are probably gathering more info before they send out an e-mail message about this, which is well within their rights.

There's plenty of much bigger companies out there getting security breaches with even more valuable information and even they are getting less heat than BMG is. Making a big fuss about it is just playing into the hands of the people trying to destroy this company, if we're being honest.
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Re: Possible data breach

Postby FrankLeeAwful » Wed Jan 02, 2019 12:54 pm

Personally I find BMG's response well within the realm of plausibility.

This thread has somewhat predictably gotten out of hand.
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Re: Possible data breach

Postby shapesifter13 » Wed Jan 02, 2019 12:59 pm

We don't store any CC or payment information, so all credit card information is safe. Not sure where that site is getting their info, but that I can say is not true. The other information they claim was hacked all seems plausible.
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Re: Possible data breach

Postby PyromonkeyGG » Wed Jan 02, 2019 1:01 pm

We have identified one breach and have fixed it. We have been working with Rackspace to help identify any other potential leaks or vulnerabilities on our servers. We will be sending out a mass email announcement soon. Our #1 priority right now is to ensure that our servers are secure, then adding support in our code for forced password resets.
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Re: Possible data breach

Postby cents02 » Wed Jan 02, 2019 1:05 pm

This was said in the forums by the devs

Important Notes:

We don't store any credit card or payment info

All passwords were hashed and not plain text, so your emails should all be safe still if they used the same password, but you can change that as well if you are worried.

The only important data compromised would be your Username/hashed password, IP and email. Everything else is just game related data.

However, the source blog https://blog.dehashed.com/town-of-salem-blankmediagames-hacked/ states that credit card information has been compromised.

Usernames, Emails, Passwords (phpass, MD5(WordPress), MD5(phpBB3)), IP Addresses, Game & Forum Activity, & Payment Information. With some of the users who paid for certain premium features having their billing information/data breached as well.

Cared to explain?
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Re: Possible data breach

Postby S0me0ne23 » Wed Jan 02, 2019 1:06 pm

PyromonkeyGG wrote:We have identified one breach and have fixed it. We have been working with Rackspace to help identify any other potential leaks or vulnerabilities on our servers. We will be sending out a mass email announcement soon. Our #1 priority right now is to ensure that our servers are secure, then adding support in our code for forced password resets.

Do you plan on switching to a salted hash algorithm with SHA256 or another modern hash function?
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Re: Possible data breach

Postby FrankLeeAwful » Wed Jan 02, 2019 1:10 pm

It's a good start. Meanwhile I'm praying for Unity to fix any other issues.
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Re: Possible data breach

Postby Varanus » Wed Jan 02, 2019 1:12 pm

FrankLeeAwful wrote:It's a good start. Meanwhile I'm praying for Unity to fix any other issues.

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Re: Possible data breach

Postby PyromonkeyGG » Wed Jan 02, 2019 1:12 pm

cents02 wrote:This was said in the forums by the devs

Important Notes:

We don't store any credit card or payment info

All passwords were hashed and not plain text, so your emails should all be safe still if they used the same password, but you can change that as well if you are worried.

The only important data compromised would be your Username/hashed password, IP and email. Everything else is just game related data.

However, the source blog https://blog.dehashed.com/town-of-salem-blankmediagames-hacked/ states that credit card information has been compromised.

Usernames, Emails, Passwords (phpass, MD5(WordPress), MD5(phpBB3)), IP Addresses, Game & Forum Activity, & Payment Information. With some of the users who paid for certain premium features having their billing information/data breached as well.

Cared to explain?


We already said we don't store any credit card or payment information. Not sure what more I can explain.
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Re: Possible data breach

Postby PyromonkeyGG » Wed Jan 02, 2019 1:14 pm

S0me0ne23 wrote:
PyromonkeyGG wrote:We have identified one breach and have fixed it. We have been working with Rackspace to help identify any other potential leaks or vulnerabilities on our servers. We will be sending out a mass email announcement soon. Our #1 priority right now is to ensure that our servers are secure, then adding support in our code for forced password resets.

Do you plan on switching to a salted hash algorithm with SHA256 or another modern hash function?


Ours is already salted.
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