Patch 2.0 Original Town of Salem Changes

[ManeEvent]

Veteran is no longer unique as well yes?

[WittyRecluse]

@Witty This is how Elo should work. Because of queue times and the number of ranked players you tend to play with people below your Elo. You should lose more and gain less.

@MamisLostHead You can't make a Survivor use a vest anymore.

Yes, but it's not supposed to be like this. At my elo level, most wins are +1 or similar, and with the new change, losses are a minimum of like -5 (for mafia) and go up to -14 for town. That means that I would need to have about a 80-90% winrate to stay at the same elo, which is absolutely ridiculous considering that the top ranked players have 60-70% winrates.

Also vampire rolls under NE now, not sure if that's a mistake, but I sure hope it is.

[MelihAytekin]

when will server open? anyone know?

[anandre]

I agree with witty, the system you're putting into place now just won't work. It works in other games because a) it's mostly 50/50 who will win (by design, the sides are more balanced) and b) is more skill-based, whereas there's a HUGE element of luck in ToS, including the faction you get and the role.

[MelihAytekin]

when will server open?

[shapesifter13]

@Witty That is because of queue times and the amount of players playing ranked. If you were playing people near your Elo this wouldn't happen.

[glorious]

Can I just say that I lost -12 as a survivor and -6 as a jester in both games that the town completely annihilated the mafia? Yes, I love ranked, but I've worked hard for my elo. I don't understand why any neutral role should lose more than -1/-2. You're literally by yourself. Yes, I have more games than the average ranked player, but that also makes me a target?

[ryanmicallef28]

1. Elo is totally messed up since the new patch

2. Get the Coven roles out of Invest results in ranked because there's no point them being there.


3. I still don't see the point in lowering everybody's elos. Could you explain please.

Thanks

[WittyRecluse]

@Witty That is because of queue times and the amount of players playing ranked. If you were playing people near your Elo this wouldn't happen.

The problem is that there's not enough high elo people for high elo players to go up in elo unless you coordinate queues with other high elos. As it is, the highest elo players (like Taz and Borden) who are 4000 elo are quitting the game because even if they play with all the highest elo players in the game, they will always be the highest elo person in the lobby and thus get +1/-14 for every game. Is it slightly better if you queue with other high elos, yes, but the issue still continues on a lesser scale. When you get someone who's higher elo than most other players, they are going to lose a ton of elo for every loss no matter who they play with, and get +1 (or even +0 due to a new bug) for every win, which forces someone like Taz to get a 90% winrate to go up in elo even if he plays with all of the top players. That isn't how the system should be working, and I foresee a lot of high elos quitting (I've already heard from 3 that are planning on quitting because of this).

[Gracee]

This elo-system works in games where the playerbase is bigger and there's enough players to fill "high elo games". There's a window of 1-2 hrs per day when you can get a game with 10+ players above 2.2k. This elo-system does not work in a game where you 22 hours out of each day get matched with players who are 2000 elo below you.
This isn't a big issue for me, I'm still low in the semi-high elo-span. But I recognize the issues the players above 2.6-3k elo are having, it's not fair at all. You can't rip off an elo-system from any game, implement it and think it will work. Especially not in Town of Salem.

[WittyRecluse]

Now I have a game with double SK where there are no other high elos and I die n1, getting -14 for this is complete BS

[Gracee]

There's SO MANY players who are getting 0 elo when they win as NE, Town and Mafia. How is that a fair system? Shouldn't every win be rewarded?

[ScaredCloud]

i still cant play on my tablet

[ChaosKass]

Just got +0 elo for an Exe win with Mafia. http://i.imgur.com/rnzfZXd.jpg

[Razbae]

I need to relearn how to play TOS now before queueing GREAT. I'll queue some CASUALS if anyone wants to play with a champion. I'll be queueing anytime between 1 AM to 1:01 AM PST and EST.

On another note: Will there be any more TOS changes after this? Like updates? And I mean soon updates not 6 months from now. As in bug fixes. And there's this skin "Necromancer" that's freaking me out. It's literally something I'd like to pay money to not see on my front page. There an option for that?

Ok now time to go figure out what this even is and prob not in ranked since I don't feel like being 1200 elo like the rest of the people in ranked. I'm going to be casual main now. You can find in me tha caz's under the name "Razgbaey".

See you in game!

Spoiler: OMG A BUNNY!!! I WANT TO POST A MEME BUT I CAN'T POST AN IMAGE THIS IS OUTRAGEEOUSSSSS

[sexyusernamexoxo]

@Witty That is because of queue times and the amount of players playing ranked. If you were playing people near your Elo this wouldn't happen.

Do you realize how hard that is nowadays? I regularly queue up with 1300 ELO players, even when I sync queues with the discord. Ranked has been on a steady decline since the beginning of this year, and it's nearly impossible to get into a queue with 14 competent players as it is. Most of the other top 10 ELO players have quit, and all this new formula is going to do is drive even more veteran players away.

[BruceyBoyo]

This is a little minor compared to some of the issues people have, but what happened to the statistics button on the main menu? I couldn't see anything in the OP about it.

[shapesifter13]

We are looking into a fix to Elo that was causing some people to get 0 Elo for wins.

[Belshy]

Vampires
Standardized Vampire attacks and conversions. Vampires now deal a basic attack to all targets. If the target can be converted to a Vampire and would die to the basic attack they will be converted. All forms of basic defense or higher (including temporary protection) will prevent conversion.

As in, vampires can no longer force Survivor votes? Do you hear the angels singing? This is something I complained about long ago, nice to see that someone is finally realizing that Vampires going through Survivor vests is terrible.

Also, is there going to be a change to the spy in the future? I can't find the post about Spy changes but I do remember a lot of people suggesting spy no longer be able to read mafia chat as a whole instead of mafia having a confirmed town-role. Spy can still see who is visited but not read mafia chat. Seems like a better fix than the current confirmation for mafia of a TI. Even if they can't see who is visited, which personally I don't suggest but wouldn't mind as long as mafia just doesn't get confirmation anymore. It makes sense that the informed minority be actually informed, but I don't think that giving them an insta-confirmed role was really the solution... more like a quick fix.

If someone wants to link the post on the Spy changes, I'd be happy to go there--just can't find it at the moment.

EDIT:
Since the Amnesiac change went live today, can anybody clarify what happens when two Amnesiacs try to remember the same unique role on the same night? Which one gets priority?
Since only one of each unique can be alive at a time, what happens in a situation as follows:

N1: Mayor dies, N2: Amnesiac remembers Mayor, N3: Retributionist revives Mayor?

Don't worry about the nights just for an example given that I imagine if they were to be revived and an Amnesiac tried to remember on the same night it would just disallow the Amnesiac... and this has the opportunity of giving many lives to any important town roles which no other faction has, since Amnesiac can remember Retributionist again and again to revive Mayor, Jailor, or other useful roles?
Do Amnesiacs get the revive ability even after the inital Retributionist has revived someone? Is there a limit to how many Amnesiacs can remember each unique role per game?

So many questions...

Just gunna leave this here since nobody answered anything I asked... ;~;

[anandre]

Amnesiac can't remember unique town roles, still not certain how it would work with two trying to remember WW or GF/mafioso though.

[shapesifter13]

EDIT:
Since the Amnesiac change went live today, can anybody clarify what happens when two Amnesiacs try to remember the same unique role on the same night? Which one gets priority?
Since only one of each unique can be alive at a time, what happens in a situation as follows:

N1: Mayor dies, N2: Amnesiac remembers Mayor, N3: Retributionist revives Mayor?

Don't worry about the nights just for an example given that I imagine if they were to be revived and an Amnesiac tried to remember on the same night it would just disallow the Amnesiac... and this has the opportunity of giving many lives to any important town roles which no other faction has, since Amnesiac can remember Retributionist again and again to revive Mayor, Jailor, or other useful roles?
Do Amnesiacs get the revive ability even after the inital Retributionist has revived someone? Is there a limit to how many Amnesiacs can remember each unique role per game?

So many questions...

Amne question: Essentially its random.

Ret question: Ret wouldn't be allowed. If they both try on the same night Ret takes priority.

Amne question 2: They can only remember unique evil roles, not Town.

[BruceyBoyo]

Ret question: Ret wouldn't be allowed. If they both try on the same night Ret takes priority.

What evil role would the Ret be resurrecting for this to actually come up?

[Belshy]

Amne question: Essentially its random.

Ret question: Ret wouldn't be allowed. If they both try on the same night Ret takes priority.

Amne question 2: They can only remember unique evil roles, not Town.

Okay, is the only evil roles new? I saw a few days ago on the PTR someone remember mayor so I seem to have missed the evils part.

[glorious]

We are looking into a fix to Elo that was causing some people to get 0 Elo for wins.

Is that the only ELO thing you're looking into? Because honestly, I don't understand why anyone over 2.6k would want to play ranked if you're just going to give us the maximum elo loss? Shouldn't you be encouraging your veteran players to play more?

[FrankLeeAwful]

We are looking into a fix to Elo that was causing some people to get 0 Elo for wins.

Is that the only ELO thing you're looking into? Because honestly, I don't understand why anyone over 2.6k would want to play ranked if you're just going to give us the maximum elo loss? Shouldn't you be encouraging your veteran players to play more?

It's affecting those under 2600, too, love.