Patch 1.5.0 Preview

[notCalmYT]

Did I miss an official announcement?

Why is this suddenly a July update?

Are they doing Spy too now? (yay if so)

It's not?

EDIT: We are looking to release patch 1.5.0 in July

Say whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[Jerme]

It is stated somewhere in this thread that they cannot make it to the end of the month, so they are postponing the releasedate to July.
I hope the devs are changing their minds about the current Mayor change...

[JazzMusicStops]

It is stated somewhere in this thread that they cannot make it to the end of the month, so they are postponing the releasedate to July.
I hope the devs are changing their minds about the current Mayor change...

I think the Mayor change could just be them trying to stop the 8 million complaint threads there are about Mayor every week

[notCalmYT]

It is stated somewhere in this thread that they cannot make it to the end of the month, so they are postponing the releasedate to July.
I hope the devs are changing their minds about the current Mayor change...

I think the Mayor change could just be them trying to stop the 8 million complaint threads there are about Mayor every week

There will be 16 millions about how it's changed. Then it will go down, hopefully.

[amagnificentvoid]

It is stated somewhere in this thread that they cannot make it to the end of the month, so they are postponing the releasedate to July.
I hope the devs are changing their minds about the current Mayor change...

I think the Mayor change could just be them trying to stop the 8 million complaint threads there are about Mayor every week

There will be 16 millions about how it's changed. Then it will go down, hopefully.

What is being changed about Mayor?

[SpellChecker]

Role balances and what their changes are is not known yet, there are no official announcements.

[CAPTAINPHASMA123]

It is stated somewhere in this thread that they cannot make it to the end of the month, so they are postponing the releasedate to July.
I hope the devs are changing their minds about the current Mayor change...

I think the Mayor change could just be them trying to stop the 8 million complaint threads there are about Mayor every week

There will be 16 millions about how it's changed. Then it will go down, hopefully.

What is being changed about Mayor?

Dunno, probably nerfing it.

[notCalmYT]

It is stated somewhere in this thread that they cannot make it to the end of the month, so they are postponing the releasedate to July.
I hope the devs are changing their minds about the current Mayor change...

I think the Mayor change could just be them trying to stop the 8 million complaint threads there are about Mayor every week

There will be 16 millions about how it's changed. Then it will go down, hopefully.

What is being changed about Mayor?

Dunno, probably nerfing it.

Can't see whispers anymore after reveal.

[CAPTAINPHASMA123]

It is stated somewhere in this thread that they cannot make it to the end of the month, so they are postponing the releasedate to July.
I hope the devs are changing their minds about the current Mayor change...

I think the Mayor change could just be them trying to stop the 8 million complaint threads there are about Mayor every week

There will be 16 millions about how it's changed. Then it will go down, hopefully.

What is being changed about Mayor?

Dunno, probably nerfing it.

Can't see whispers anymore after reveal.

That's not true. BMG hasn't confirmed that.

[notCalmYT]

It is stated somewhere in this thread that they cannot make it to the end of the month, so they are postponing the releasedate to July.
I hope the devs are changing their minds about the current Mayor change...

I think the Mayor change could just be them trying to stop the 8 million complaint threads there are about Mayor every week

There will be 16 millions about how it's changed. Then it will go down, hopefully.

What is being changed about Mayor?

Dunno, probably nerfing it.

Can't see whispers anymore after reveal.

That's not true. BMG hasn't confirmed that.

Watch ShadowBeatz's video.

[Nellyfox]

Unless the devs have confirmed the video is a fake there's not really any reason to believe it is fake.

Come on people, read the thread. We've been talking about it...

[EndlessFire]

I wonder what they have planned for medium, a new ability?

[JazzMusicStops]

I wonder what they have planned for medium, a new ability?

Medium now kills everyone on Night 1, besides itself
This attack pierces all forms of protection and the medium is Night Immune while performing it
The perfect buff

[orangeandblack5]

I wonder what they have planned for medium, a new ability?

Hopefully nothing.

[notCalmYT]

I wonder what they have planned for medium, a new ability?

Hopefully nothing.

If it's a complete rework, I call Medium being able to contact just one player.

[ShadowGlitter]

Is Millicent Moneybags from the kickstarter the "super secret female skin" mentioned in the first post? Not a huge deal in the scheme of things, just curious xD

[Nellyfox]

I wonder what they have planned for medium, a new ability?

Hopefully nothing.

If it's a complete rework, I call Medium being able to contact just one player.

That's not a rework, that's changing it back to what it used to be.

[Greenpandalover]

When we thought 1.5 was a patch about listening to the community, but they aren't listening to our opinions about the alleged changes. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Kikigiri]

-snip-

If the role list is all Random Town/Random Mafia, it will just end up being like an All-Any game. Ranked should not be like All any. I still think that "Jailor" should be replaced with a Town Power category containing Jailor, Mayor, and possibly Ret. Either way, the role list you suggested is too random/unbalanced for competitive Ranked play.

It won't be like All Any. It'd be balanced, since you're guaranteed to get 8 Town, including a Jailor and some Town Investigatives; and it would have the Ranked requirements to enter, so people would take it more seriously.

But if you want a game-mode where it's hard for evils to claim because of the limited list of possible Towns (which rapidly get taken as Town confirm or die), well... sorry. That game does not work. It is not salvageable, and I am pissed that people keep suggesting terrible changes to the underlying mechanics in an attempt to salvage a dysfunctional role list which will always, ultimately, be an easymode snoozefest for the Town. I am 100% certain that Ranked will eventually see its role list turn to heavily Random Town (they've promised to add multiple role lists for ranked; the moment there's a more playable one the current awful ranked list will drop into an abyss and never get touched again. It will be dead dead dead thank god, and we'll never see another suggestion that takes it into account. My opinion is that we need to hold firm against any of the awful suggestions based on that current role-list until it finally dies. At the very least, we should wait until there are alternative role lists before suggesting drastic changes to the game based on the glaring flaws in Ranked's current role-list.)

The basic problem with Ranked is that the game is not playable when the role list is that tightly-defined. As long as it's possible to determine someone's role and easily eliminate claimspace via process of elimination, Ranked will continue to favor town. Changing the game to make Ranked balanced while keeping the current role list would require drastic changes to the underlying mechanics that would completely ruin every other mode (and, IMHO, even ruin Ranked.) It's silly to keep suggesting these radical drastic changes to the game's underlying mechanics when a five-second change to the Ranked list would fix nearly everything that people complain about.

Hell, it doesn't even have to be that drastic. Change the TS and TK to Any Town and you'll fix most of the problems Ranked currently suffers (and most of the complaints people have about Mayors and confirmed town) without having to change anything else at all. I would suggest changing the NB to an Any as well, but it isn't really necessary (and some people might complain about having to deal with occasional 5 maf or 2 SK games in Ranked, though I feel they'd be totally winnable.) Knowing too much about the role list at the start of the game, though, just doesn't work with an experienced player base. There's too many ways for players to narrow down who the evils are. There's a balance point between "total All Any chaos" and "rigidly-defined role list that can be trivially solved N2 if everyone whispers their roles to a confirmed Town."

Currently, Ranked isn't hitting it. The problem isn't the mechanics, it's entirely, 100% the role list, and every suggestion ought to be focused on that rather than just treating the current godawful Ranked role list as some sort of sacred cow that the entire game must be balanced around. If they try to balance the game around the current Ranked role list, the entire game is going to suffer, because the current Ranked role list is utterly awful and simply not salvageable. It should be replaced with something else and removed entirely.

(Part of the problem is that people have fun memories of playing Ranked in their head from times when the meta wasn't yet developed or when people were inexperienced and didn't approach it optimally. And, yes, it works as long as players are derping around. But once they get serious, it completely breaks; Ranked is basically a mini-Classic at this point, a wading pool that works for people who don't yet know all the rules, but which falls apart if the Town really gets ruthless about exploiting all the information available to them. As the supposed place for top-level play it is completely unworkable.)

[LevinSnakesRise]

Moderator Message: I can confirm that the video about the 1.5 patch notes is legit.

[CAPTAINPHASMA123]

It is stated somewhere in this thread that they cannot make it to the end of the month, so they are postponing the releasedate to July.
I hope the devs are changing their minds about the current Mayor change...

I think the Mayor change could just be them trying to stop the 8 million complaint threads there are about Mayor every week

There will be 16 millions about how it's changed. Then it will go down, hopefully.

What is being changed about Mayor?

Dunno, probably nerfing it.

Can't see whispers anymore after reveal.

That's not true. BMG hasn't confirmed that.

Watch ShadowBeatz's video.

Where's the link?

[Kikigiri]

Can't see whispers anymore after reveal.

Terrible change. The Mayor isn't broken; the Mayor is fine. It's the Ranked role list that's the problem here. Trying to fix the Ranked role list by nerfing the mayor is ignoring the core issue - now people will just complain about spies, or confirmed vets, or anything else that manages to confirm, because the real problem will always be the fact that the Ranked role list makes it trivial to determine who the evils are if everyone whispers their roles to a confirmed town.

They need to fix the Ranked role list before worrying about any other balance issues, otherwise they're balancing the game around something that will need to be replaced eventually anyway.

[Greenpandalover]

I can confirm that the video about the 1.5 patch notes is legit.

Welp. That mean that the spy change & the vampire hunter change have either been scratched & or forgotten about.

[LevinSnakesRise]

Honestly I will probably bug Brandon and Blake if Mayor is actually nerfed the way that was confirmed. There's nothing wrong with it, other than the community being upset about it.

Again, take a page out of Blizzard's book and give them a way to counter the Mayor's whispers that don't involve removing a core mechanic of the game from a single role. (Players in Overwatch complaining about bastion and telling them to remove it, and rather than make any changes, they simply offer advice on how to counter Bastion with other heroes. Even add an in-game tip about it while we are at it.)

[Nellyfox]

Just remove Mayor's votes. I don't see the problem. Reduce it to 2 or 1.