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Re: pirate stops transporter from transporting

Postby kyuss420 » Thu Jan 14, 2021 5:43 am

Yup, been that way since August 2020. Pirate is RBing abilities, but not visits.
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Roleblock failed?

Postby fsquirrelzz » Sat Jan 30, 2021 9:01 pm

Played a game where I was a mafioso, and an escort tried to roleblock me, and on the same night she was also pirated
I killed a guy that night, but there was also a trapper who had a trap on me, and got the 'target was visited by escort' as she stepped on his trap
I tried checked with the other players if maybe they missclicked, but both the escort and the trapper insisted that they targeted me, yet my kill was able to go through
I dont really have screenshots or any other proof and I wasnt really sure where to go with this information.

this is just to organize incase I wrote it in a messy way - this all happens in the same night
Pirate duels escort and doesn't kill escort
Escort tries to roleblock mafioso
Trapper put a trap on mafioso and had an escort triggered trap message
Mafioso gets a kill that night (There were no other kill capable mafia roles, The game started with GF, 2 disguisers and A hypno, GF left first night so I became mafioso (Started as disguiser) so it wasn't a one guy gets roleblocked so other goes to kill)

sorry that I dont have proof or anything, it could be wrong as it basically goes off of what 2 other people said, but I couldn't find anything on the wiki about such an interaction, since it doesn't mention anything about traps disabling abilities etc, and escort is supposed to be rb immune so pirate shouldn't have roleblocked her, but then I didnt get roleblocekd so i'm not really sure what happened
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Re: Roleblock failed?

Postby SizzleShot » Sun Jan 31, 2021 5:13 pm

there's been a bug with pirate for a long time, the pirate roleblocks everyone now. if a pirate plunders an escort, transporter, consort, coven leader, or other roles that cant be roleblocked, the victim can still visit, but they wont perform their role. The escort simply visited you, but couldn't roleblock you. this bug has been active since July or earlier
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Re: Roleblock failed?

Postby syjfwbaobfwl » Sun Jan 31, 2021 8:54 pm

SizzleShot wrote:there's been a bug with pirate for a long time, the pirate roleblocks everyone now. if a pirate plunders an escort, transporter, consort, coven leader, or other roles that cant be roleblocked, the victim can still visit, but they wont perform their role. The escort simply visited you, but couldn't roleblock you. this bug has been active since July or earlier



Vet is the only role which is completely inmune to pirate
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Re: Roleblock failed?

Postby WildCard65 » Mon Feb 01, 2021 5:53 am

Necromancer using their Ghouls (and not Graveyard roles) is potentially immune as well.
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Re: Roleblock failed?

Postby kyuss420 » Mon Feb 01, 2021 5:55 am

what Sploof said. When pirated, abililties are roleblocked, the visit is not. Its not on the wiki because it never used to be the case, and devs never said they were reworking pirate, so we assume its a bug.

And yea, necro and ret can still use ghouls/corpses, as visiting the graveyard is all they do anyway....the ghoul/corpse uses the ability.
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Re: Pirate Roleblocking Coven Leader

Postby sarysa » Thu Apr 29, 2021 6:46 am

God this bug's been around for so long that newer players think it's a feature. It's in no patch notes so I'm still assuming it's a bug.

Any chance we can get dev confirmation on it? This is still toxic for VIP btw.
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Re: Pirate Roleblocking Coven Leader

Postby SizzleShot » Thu Apr 29, 2021 7:47 am

This bug is almost 10 months old, i cant wait to celebrate it’s birthday!!!!
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Re: Pirate Roleblocking Coven Leader

Postby snailUWU » Wed May 12, 2021 11:15 pm

Oh hello everyone!! Came here to report this bug, seems like this is something that's already under fair bit of discussion.
I'll just drop off my case too, lmao.

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- Got outted as CL via tracker D2, but didn't get pushed to stand
- Got pirated (and knew I'd also be shot) so I witched crusader into myself
- Got steamrolled by vig and pirate, crusader did not mention being witched in day chat

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As others pointed out, this is really really frustrating in VIP mode, where being able to buy even a single night can make or break the game lmao.
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Re: Roleblock failed?

Postby ScarfVendetta » Thu May 13, 2021 7:47 am

kyuss420 wrote:what Sploof said. When pirated, abililties are roleblocked, the visit is not. Its not on the wiki because it never used to be the case, and devs never said they were reworking pirate, so we assume its a bug.

And yea, necro and ret can still use ghouls/corpses, as visiting the graveyard is all they do anyway....the ghoul/corpse uses the ability.

Is this an assumption, or have you found this through experience?

I had a game the other day where I was pirated as Retributionist. The button to select the Investigator corpse was not present. This is similar to how Serial Killer loses it's buttons to attack while pirated, so in this case it does act as more of a "super role-block".

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Is this different for Necromancer?
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Re: Roleblock failed?

Postby SizzleShot » Thu May 13, 2021 2:26 pm

ScarfVendetta wrote:Is this an assumption, or have you found this through experience?


Well considering this forum is literally 8 months old, do you think is just an assumption? You even provided an example of this.

ScarfVendetta wrote:I had a game the other day where I was pirated as Retributionist. The button to select the Investigator corpse was not present. This is similar to how Serial Killer loses it's buttons to attack while pirated, so in this case it does act as more of a "super role-block".


Yes, the pirate was purposefully changed to be a super roleblocker. The bug we’re complaining about is that the roleblock immune roles can still visit when pirated, but they don’t perform their role. When necromancer is pirate, it can still do its role because its the ghouls doing the role, not the necromancer(although this probably is part of the glitch)
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Re: Roleblock failed?

Postby ScarfVendetta » Thu May 13, 2021 2:47 pm

SizzleShot wrote:
ScarfVendetta wrote:Is this an assumption, or have you found this through experience?


Well considering this forum is literally 8 months old, do you think is just an assumption? You even provided an example of this.

ScarfVendetta wrote:I had a game the other day where I was pirated as Retributionist. The button to select the Investigator corpse was not present. This is similar to how Serial Killer loses it's buttons to attack while pirated, so in this case it does act as more of a "super role-block".


Yes, the pirate was purposefully changed to be a super roleblocker. The bug we’re complaining about is that the roleblock immune roles can still visit when pirated, but they don’t perform their role. When necromancer is pirate, it can still do its role because its the ghouls doing the role, not the necromancer(although this probably is part of the glitch)

It seems you misread the message I was responding to. Kyuss was claiming that Retributionist and Necromancer were still able to use corpses while duelled by Pirate, whereas my gameplay showed the opposite.

I'm well aware of the general effects of the Pirate bug. I'm trying to narrow down which roles are affected.
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Re: Pirate Roleblocking Coven Leader

Postby kyuss420 » Thu May 13, 2021 3:23 pm

so Necro can stil use his corpses - which was always the case, but Ret cant - which was also always the case if reviving someone is considered the same as summoning them.
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Re: Pirate Roleblocking Coven Leader

Postby WildCard65 » Tue May 18, 2021 5:20 pm

I think their resources are being allocated to Traitors in Salem at the moment.
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Re: Pirate Roleblocking Coven Leader

Postby sarysa » Thu Jun 03, 2021 1:16 am

Despite this thread starting in September, I think this bug's a year old now. (at least, people have claimed it started before the ret update)
I hate being "that customer", but I'm going to do something I've mocked others in countless communities for in the past, and ask:

Does BMG even care?
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Re: Pirate Roleblocking Coven Leader

Postby WildCard65 » Thu Jun 03, 2021 9:49 am

sarysa wrote:Despite this thread starting in September, I think this bug's a year old now. (at least, people have claimed it started before the ret update)
I hate being "that customer", but I'm going to do something I've mocked others in countless communities for in the past, and ask:

Does BMG even care?


They probably do but are currently focusing on Traitors in Salem, probably once the alpha/beta/full release of the game is available, they may begin tackling Town of Salem.
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Re: Pirate Roleblocking Coven Leader

Postby WildCard65 » Mon Nov 07, 2022 8:36 pm

Necro'ing this thread: At this point, this bug's been around long enough to be an undocumented feature in the game. 2 years we had to deal with it and I'm pretty sure VIP's meta is now attuned for this.
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Re: Pirate Roleblocking Coven Leader

Postby MysticMismagius » Mon Nov 07, 2022 9:22 pm

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