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Dota was so close...

Some mechanical tells, which might have helped.

Chemist claimed he rbed me. (he immediatly would caught on a lie if I was cop or tracker, so that was definetly not a lie.)
Conclusion:
Mafia probably thought I was softing PR.
Sword expressed that he knew about my D1 "Slips". (or at least a mafia definetly noticed those.)
But both dota and Sparking were both genuinly surprised about my TK claim D3.
And I already cleared ED myself...
So Sword was the only one who I might have reconsider, if I survive.

(also Sword claimed at least one time during D1, that he is sure someone has shooting power from town, combining with the mafia team, it would have been a hard guess, but it was a loose connection to coming up with it.)

dota2reporter wrote:

SparkingJay wrote:

dota2reporter wrote:

dota2reporter wrote:/vote cenvil

im actually decently confident on this now

kosmo never gave a read on cenvil and chemist only gave a simple "null" when asked

and there's the uzay stuff too

I'll recheck all this, but does w!Cenvil spew reasons to townread EvilD.

we were going to check it as one point or another regardless

False.

You checked already, and said ED does not have any good associations with the mafia.
That was my only sole reason to quote those posts the moment I posted them, not during D6.

dota2reporter wrote:plus in hindsight cenvil's reason to fakeclaim firebrand doesnt really make sense

if the town is fullclaiming why do you have to cover for someone? that's completely stupid

1. Town was not fullclaiming for the sake of fullclaiming. Every PR had their own reason to claim. I could have not predict, that all PR + "the other mafia" all claims almost the same time. (maybe Jackson's claim can be considered as fullclaim, but everyone else was trying to prove something or was trying not getting lynched.)

2. How could I know town still had PRs except the FB if I was cit?
For me 2 escort, 1 vig and 1 FB was totally acceptable pr count.
With 1 GF flipped, that made total sense at the moment of my claim.
(everyone else claimed after me.)

3. Sword was never close to getting pushed, I would have revealed the lie if he CCs, he getting close to be lynched or him being FB does not make sense anymore.
And sawing them that they are cool being me claiming FB I thought they understood I doing this for cover.

EvilDeanius0 wrote:Since maf knew there was 8 non-T rolls, they could have feared TPs/LOs

and they still managed to douse an obvtown?
they did not attack on N2 for the sole purpose of misslynch, probably.
So they probably doused someone as N1 too...

EvilDeanius0 wrote:Could Dolphina have been the maf kill that the vig doubled upon?

probably not, if dolphina was doused N1.

So we get back to the watchme/ed/me PoE.

SparkingJay wrote:

Cenvil2 wrote:So cob definetly was doused.
I don't see why the GF won't attack N1, so kosmo probably doused someone at N1 too.
Jackson probably was the N3 kill.
So hypothetically we still missing a N1 douse. Which could have been a gamechanger too.

Or mafia really was that afraid of Trackers/LOs that they sent their FB to kill instead of douse. (which I doubt)

Only person they could have doused is Dolphina

Question:
Would the current existing Mafia members do that?

If not, who would want to do that in the remaining cast (if anybody)?

So cob definetly was doused.
I don't see why the GF won't attack N1, so kosmo probably doused someone at N1 too.
Jackson probably was the N3 kill.
So hypothetically we still missing a N1 douse. Which could have been a gamechanger too.

Or mafia really was that afraid of Trackers/LOs that they sent their FB to kill instead of douse. (which I doubt)

Chemist1422 wrote:I’m not exactly in favor of blanket clearing the wagon

But I am decently invested in yeeting the slots that jumped on murat after my claim

Chemist1422 wrote:Which is exactly 0ver/watchme

Nice

watchme1 wrote:If I had guess

From your pov if you're town, then anyone jumping on murat would know that murat is town therefore is a free mislynch off murat and since if you're town, a possible chainlynch from murat -> you

This exchange happened right after Cob's "redcheck" (and when they probably checked Samurai as BG already.)
Does anyone think Chem was trying to spew watchme as town and openwolfing later from the getgo?
(considering mafia probably did not attack anyone N2, and kosmo dousing Cob was not very smart move considering they still lacked at least two or three PR)

Also watchme's phrasing is just bad...

watchme1 wrote:murat1996|5|Chemist1422, SparkingJay, Hellosither, 0verki11, watchme1;
UzayAltay|3|Swordsworth, dolphina, dota2reporter;
ScarredSamurai|2|TheDebil, kosmo16;
cob709|2|jucktropy, UzayAltay;
dota2reporter|1|Cenvil2;
dolphina|1|EvilDeanius0;
Cenvil2|1|murat1996

ASsuming cob is legit cop, and uzay is red, I think we can maybe clear the whole uzay wagon perhaps?

watchme1 wrote:if you are consort for whatever reason, outing the block on cenvil is heavily -ev anyway so more points for being not scum i guess

watchme1 wrote:

dolphina wrote:ok, if uzay isn't scum we can safely declare cob to be scum, right?

in the event that happens, then yes, I don't see cob making a htg level of fps here

watchme1 wrote:he's red checked by cob who's unlikely to be fpsing

so I think that's enough credibility lol

watchme1 wrote:/vote samurai

Kosmo claim was after the l/o thing juck outed right? Or was it before juck outed as l/o

Still confused on watchme.

It looks like they did not know cob cannot be cop, (GF would look innocent for cop.) and they fully believed Cob's cop claim.

But their clear attempt on Chemist and kosmo looks scum indicative.
The reasons:

Outing the rb is - ve:
If I am TI, I could confirm they were rbing me, but thats give the info to Mafia, that I am TI. Any other case it really does not even matter. Mafia gains nothing negative from this interaction.


Kosmo claim happened before juck's LO shenaginans:
Kosmo KNEW the PC check is fake.
(since he was mafia with Chem, no wonder the fps did not work this case.)
Mafia still was missing a LOT OF PRs. (at the time only cob and watchme was confirmed from the town, and maybe Samurai was checked, so they still missed at least 5 letters.)
So its not impossible juck being TI.
Since juck used a roundabout route instead of claiming just simply cop, it was clear juck did not checked kosmo directly. The indirect ways are Tracker/Lookout. So kosmo was locked in who they did visited from the start of juck's FPS. Their only acceptable claim was TP.

EvilDeanius0 wrote:Isn't no lynching the play here?

Last mafia will just kill someone we are confident being town.
Since there is more of those, than mafia need to mislynch for the win in a pure game without PRs, I don't see no lynching as a viable option.

/vote Kosmo.
We still can brainstorming D6.

dota2reporter wrote:that's pretty good
you got a good eye cenvil

It was obv kosmo will attack one of the LO's so I read the thread a lot in the last 24 hours.

kosmo16 wrote:

jucktropy wrote:/vote Kosmo

btw, I think me and Chemist did a good job by eliminating all PRs.

No doubt on that.
(except cob, that still was a stupid FB kill.)

EvilDeanius0 wrote:Chemist does not have a red check unless anyone can prove a TP didn't make a save last night

This does not come from Chem's buddy.

EvilDeanius0 wrote:Cob's saying Uzay is guilty and there's no framer, do the specifics of the claim really matter?

Vote so I can hammer

This does not come from GF-Uzay's buddy.

EvilDeanius0 wrote:Oh look someone I said not to lynch was lynched and they were good.

watchme1 wrote:lack of 2nd kill probably infers no tk's rolled

murat wagon prob max 1 scum due to how last minute i think it was

Firebrand douses are silent

It is unlikely coming from mafia FB's buddy.


Are those not good enough associations?

dota2reporter wrote:watchme1
dota2reporter
Cenvil2
EvilDeanius0
SparkingJay
Swordsworth

this 5v1 should be easily winnable i think with me/sparking/swords being basically cleared

Agreed on Sparking. (they deserve the W if they are.)

Why are the other two cleared?

SparkingJay wrote:RBing an LO would be suicide, since the other LO can either catch the consort or the killer.

Kill one LO, rb the other can be the mafia play, if we leave the consort alive.

watchme1 wrote:Just cause you got no result doesn't mean you weren't roleblocked remind you

Since both LO has to be legit (to have a mafia FB), and mafia has only 1 consort, they were not rbed.

Chemist should be priority lynch over the mafia FB. (since FB definetly ignited last night, they can't kill anyone tonight.)

AKA, I agree with Debil...

Also one of Chem/juck has to be mafia.

jucktropy wrote:mafia are dumb for attacking cob jfc

This prob was the handiwork from mafia FB. (who visited cob N2)
Which just proves there was only 1T rolled.

jucktropy wrote:

jucktropy wrote:/unvote

acutally i'll wait

/Vote unvote

I am pretty sure this means you unvote Royee...
And I don't see any more vote from you.

Royee wrote:

EvilDeanius0 wrote:

kosmo16 wrote:

cob709 wrote:fpsing is fun

Not really. I don't think I ever saw someone to fps which was beneficial for Town.

May I direct you to 90% of my previous games.

There's no Doc claim so chem blocking the kill is the only explanation right?

/vote Royee

No
Mafia didn't attack

That hypothesis was discarded already.
Mafia simply missed to much PR, to give potential Cops/PCs one more night to find them.

kosmo16 wrote:Because he is smart and clearing 5 Citizens from being Mafia is not a smart move. Retracting the claim was the only option for scum!Cenvil.

One last question.
Do you think I was planned to claim FB with both of my teammates claiming PR?

Chemist already claimed escort D1.
Cob already claimed D2.
I am sure I claimed after juck's PC claim.
Debil fakeclaiming is unlikely. But even if it is, that would need a juck fakeclaim, which just gives me one less spot for PR space.
The interaction between the two of us clearly not SvS.
And I dont see any world, where mafia!Flake would claim an already CCed spot, if the other two mafia already claiming PR.

Also without my retract BSSSKKLTT (2 BG lieing + juck lieing) and BBBSSSKKT (the two lookout lieing + a BG lieing) BLLLSKKTT (Chemist lieing + 2 BG lieing) are ALL mechanically possible. (Even if some of them does not makes sense.)

Chemist1422 wrote:@ all cit claims

which of the other cit claims is most likely scum to you

I am still confident Sword being town.
Sparking is still spewed not-maf thanks to Uzay.
And I dont think dota is scum anymore.

So I left with watchme/Ed.

jucktropy wrote:

Cenvil2 wrote:I was confident from D1 on, that Sword is FB.

then why did you claim FB

Did I?