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therealet1 wrote:/vote michael
probably the wagon i find the greenest

i find it probably best here for me to trust my townreads rather than pick apart scum in this setup

At the time of this post, Michael had 2 votes on him (from Chemist and from Poly).

therealet1 wrote:

JacksonVirgo wrote:

polypies73 wrote:

JacksonVirgo wrote:I need a proper fully fledged out reason to null-town read someone or I am scum
-_-

no jsut any reason

They're acting similar to what I recognize to be their town-meta but they haven't done anything scummy nor townie this game so that's just what I am relying on. Fuck sake

villagery post

At the time of this post, Jackson was catching A LOT of flak and was strongly being considered as D2's lynch. This might have been an attempt to gain some town cred if Jackson was lynched that day. Jackson was one of the townpeeks Sagging let slip, so if it was genuine, ET knows here that Jackson is actually town. This might help validate that Sagging's scumslip was a genuine one.

LOLingHyena wrote:

Rickdaily12 wrote:

Lynch votes

JacksonVirgo|2| UzayAltay, Google;
therealet1|2| SparkingJayYT, dota2reporter;
dota2reporter|2| heytheregirl17, 0verki11;
Multiuniverse|2| AcidicBreeze, TheDebil;
AcidicBreeze|2| TheWabbit, MichaelgRook;
AlwaysNever|2| Multiuniverse, therealet1;
TheDebil|2| LOLingHyena, polypies73;
polypies73|1| JacksonVirgo;
Not Voting|2| AlwaysNever, Chemist1422;

This might be a good wagon to analyze. With every wagon, except Poly's, at two votes, every single one of them is equally viable at this point in the game.

Just at a quick glance, I see Debil voting for Multi (strengthens our theory about Multi being Debil's townpeek) and Wabbit NOT voting for either Jackson or Dota (strengthens my theory that he's lying about his townpeeks).

Jay and Dota voting ET looks good, too.
HTG voting Dota strengthens our theory that Dota is one of her townpeeks.
I need to look at why ET was voting AlwaysNever there.

Rickdaily12 wrote:

Lynch votes

JacksonVirgo|2| UzayAltay, Google;
therealet1|2| SparkingJayYT, dota2reporter;
dota2reporter|2| heytheregirl17, 0verki11;
Multiuniverse|2| AcidicBreeze, TheDebil;
AcidicBreeze|2| TheWabbit, MichaelgRook;
AlwaysNever|2| Multiuniverse, therealet1;
TheDebil|2| LOLingHyena, polypies73;
polypies73|1| JacksonVirgo;
Not Voting|2| AlwaysNever, Chemist1422;

This might be a good wagon to analyze. With every wagon, except Poly's, at two votes, every single one of them is equally viable at this point in the game.

Just at a quick glance, I see Debil voting for Multi (strengthens our theory about Multi being Debil's townpeek) and Wabbit NOT voting for either Jackson or Dota (strengthens my theory that he's lying about his townpeeks).

Sat Jan 18, 2020 9:47 am

kosmo16 wrote:Who are Htg's and Debil's Town members? Any clue on that?

Sun Jan 19, 2020 7:13 am

kosmo16 wrote:

dota2reporter wrote:

dota2reporter wrote:yeah i dont get jackson's push on hyena unless it's pushing a townpeek

what villager in their right mind pushes hyena day 4???

like, it's not even spicy, it's just plain unnatural from a town mindset

For me push is legit. Hyena is for sure not on Town list of Debil and Htg.

So, almost a day passed between these two posts that you made on D4, Kosmo, so you reading up on everything between them is possible in my eyes. I want you to explain how you reached your conclusion that I was not one of Debil's or HTG's townpeeks -- to note, I agree with the conclusion, but I'm more interested in how you got there.

@Multi
You have seemed detached from the game. Is something going on?

I think I just want to go ahead with the Michael lynch. If he flips scum, then that clears Chemist for me, which helps me a lot. In that event, we always check to see if there are anymore scum. I'll figure out what we do next if there ends up being more scum after that.

The more I reread and try to make sense of this game, the more I want to run my head into a wall. I'm not really getting anywhere anymore.

Michael is the only townpeek that I can say with confidence Chemist has if he's scum... but I can't find a second one.
Even worse, I'm struggling to find even one townpeek for Michael. Acidic maybe? With him, though, I feel like he would actually try to keep his townpeeks hidden just based on the way he has been playing.

Okay, I'm gonna get to bed, I think. I'll continue all this tomorrow. G'night, y'all. <3

Chemist1422 wrote:

TheWabbit wrote:we can stick to giving 3 names (aside from yourself, dimwit) of who you think is town

catch is that you are not to explain any of the three

i shouldn't explain why and neither of you should question why else mafia may catch up with my plan

I'll start:
- Tiltedcomedian
- heytheregirl17
- JacksonVirgo

htg
Debil
Wabbit

lol, man, all three of Chemist's choices here flipped scum

Also, it's interesting that Wabbit listed TiltedComedian (who I think could be one of Wabbit's townpeeks) and Jackson (who Wabbit claimed to have a townpeek on). Annnd HTG ended up flipping scum.

Sun Jan 05, 2020 9:37 am

Chemist1422 wrote:

watchme1 wrote:Ya'll losers crowning around like no tomorrow

/vote Chemist

he got the one flavor that I adored since I was 4

/vote tilted

same but since like two weeks ago

Sun Jan 05, 2020 9:39 am

Chemist1422 wrote:

dota2reporter wrote:

watchme1 wrote:Dota's awkwardness to Wabbit is his rustiness showing, probably

1 i had no awkwardness

2 im just annoyed that people cant see im telling the truth, i know this is a mafia game but i thought i had a good reputation as a truthful guy

3 my rustness will show when i try reading people (if i will lol i'll probably only do townreads)

so you’re annoyed

that people think you could be lying

in a game with paranoia in the title

Sun Jan 05, 2020 9:41 am

Chemist1422 wrote:

dota2reporter wrote:jesus why am i the one getting sinked?

i guess i have to face the harsh reality lol when i got my town rc i was like "sweet i can just claim town in my first post and coast through the game"

appareantly not, people cant trust a guy who values morals more than winning

sorry lads for being mad, im gonna take a break probably, do some homework

so you’re either getting mad over nothing

or using a trust tell

or saying you’d gamethrow as scum

Just based on these three posts, I get the feeling that Chemist doesn't have Watchme as a townpeek. First, he casual interacts with them, and then when Dota reacts to one of Watchme's posts, Chemist immediately starts focusing in on Dota rather than go after Watchme like a couple others did. I'll keep reading though.

(Also, to note, if Chemist is scum, Michael is probably one of his townpeeks. )

HTG's only mention of WatchMe D1 --

heytheregirl17 wrote:

Chemist1422 wrote:hm

I think it's pretty reasonable to believe that wabbit actually did forget

his reaction isn't super overblown and is pretty natural

so yeah it's not ai imo

Last game we caught a scum for this same mistake. It's not completely out of range.

/vote watchme
for majority's sake

Initially I was going to come back to this post later after reading Chemist's ISO, but then I found one of the vote counts I did shortly after HTG's vote:

LOLingHyena wrote:

Eragon1329 wrote:

Lynch votes

Watchme1|5|Chemist1422, therealet1, TheWabbit, Tiltedcomedian, Google;JacksonVirgo|5| polypies73, uzayaltay, LOLingHyena, SparkingJayYT, Watchme1; Chemist1422|1|dota2reporter; AcidicBreeze|1|JacksonVirgo; UzayAltay|1|Multiuniverse; No Lynch|0|; Not Voting|6| heytheregirl17, AcidicBreeze, Phone0IX, AlwaysNever, MichaelgRook, TheDebil

Since this post:
- Polypies unvoted Jackson
- Multi voted AlwaysNever
- AcidicBreeze voted Jackson
- HTG voted Watchme
- Dota voted Watchme
- Michael vote Jackson

Thus, the votes should look like this now

Watchme(7): Chemist, therealet, Wabbit, Tilted, Google, HTG, Dota
Jackson(6): Uzay, Hyena, SparkingJay, Watchme, AcidicBreeze, Michael
AcidicBreeze(1): Jackson
AlwaysNever(1): Multi
Not Voting: Phone0IX, AlwaysNever, TheDebil, Polypies

HTG was the 6th vote on Watchme's wagon at a time when Jackson's wagon was matching it with 5 votes. Also, majority was 10 votes that day, so I don't really believe that vote was for MAJORITY that soon.

I think it's very plausible Watchme could have been one of HTG's townpeeks. Definitely moreso than Wabbit.

Wabbit's D1 progression on Watchme:
Spoiler: Sun Jan 05, 2020 4:22 pm

TheWabbit wrote:

LOLingHyena wrote:@Wabbit (and Google too, I guess)
What do you think about what Tilted said about Watchme? Do you think you'd drop your push on Dota for a bit, or does your scumread on Dota outweigh Tilted's thing against Watchme? Also, Tilted is townreading Dota. Does that influence your read on Tilted any?

@Tilted
Are you townreading Wabbit? If so, does Wabbit scumread on Dota (who you are townreading) change anything?

i'm clouding myself with confbias atm
not really sure what watchme's pointing out with dota being rusty

it doesn't strike me as w!watchme with villapeek on v!dota

Mon Jan 06, 2020 7:36 am

TheWabbit wrote:

watchme1 wrote:Tilted has tmi that me and Dota are town ez game go next

how did you form this conclusion

watchme1 wrote:Tilted was probs tryna fisha reaction from that

first tilted is wolf
now this

???????????

watchme1 wrote:I don't get how that's weird but ok

wut.part3

Tiltedcomedian wrote:o/ Laugh

What's your take on the quiet people, Acidic and Always in particular?

probably just some activity issues
i'd wait them out a bit longer before touching them
getting rid of them before they provide insights is just as good as using RNGesus to lynch someone

Mon Jan 06, 2020 7:48 am

TheWabbit wrote:

watchme1 wrote:

therealet1 wrote:

watchme1 wrote:I don't get how that's weird but ok

it pings wolf that doesnt know what to do in the situation
i wasnt mainly referring to that post alone but your progression to it as well

you felt really on edge

I guess that's part of my meta, it's always early game I struggle regardless of alignment

this brushoff feels awkward

/vote watchme1

parking here for now

Tue Jan 07, 2020 4:02 pm

TheWabbit wrote:

heytheregirl17 wrote:

AcidicBreeze wrote:sorry for inactivity. had a quick read through the thread, currently we are voting watchme is there a particular slip they did? also i must question why i have hardly been pushed for my lack of activity.

this feels scum and I can't put my finger on why

let me see

- lack of fervor?
- focused on a single matter (watchme) with other points thrown out prior to this post?
- self-shade with acknowledging he's UTR?

Tue Jan 07, 2020 10:07 pm

TheWabbit wrote:

LOLingHyena wrote:

Chemist1422 wrote:Also is it insane to say I want to try to lynch town between watchme/Jackson so we can get both slots resolved in one day

Honestly, I like the people on Watchme. I just don't see what Tilted is seeing in Watchme at the moment.

fwiw i'm on watchme for how watchme dealt with tilted's confusing case

i'm not convinced with tilted's case at all

Tue Jan 07, 2020 10:15 pm

TheWabbit wrote:

TheWabbit wrote:i'm now late

cya

i'm sticking to watchme

/vote watchme
don't have the time to check if i'm on them or not

Thu Jan 09, 2020 5:38 am

TheWabbit wrote:

Eragon1329 wrote:

Walter Hobbs(Watchme1) has chosen to kill Jack Skellington(Tiltedcomedian) in revenge

TiltedComedian has been killed. His role was

this was a good shot

now we won't have to deal with bullshit arguments on whether tilted is wolf or not from watchme's flip

Thu Jan 09, 2020 5:50 am

TheWabbit wrote:

TheDebil wrote:while im catching up can someone tell me why jackson was a counterwagon to watchme
seemed ok to me

no idea

there's just this syzygy where hyena asked who's scum in {jackson, et} if there's 1 scum there

Thu Jan 09, 2020 5:52 am

TheWabbit wrote:

SparkingJayYT wrote:

TheDebil wrote:while im catching up can someone tell me why jackson was a counterwagon to watchme
seemed ok to me

Watchme wasn’t even a good wagon

it's ok to try and sound cool with hindsight bias

My takeaway from it
Wabbit does end up pushing Watchme rather opportunistically, but he also lightly defends them in the first post that I quoted. Also, while I looked through his Watchme mentions, I noticed that he shaded a lot of people similar to how he was shading Watchme. The one person I don't recall him shading like that was actually Tilted, which is notable too because I remember feeling like he was going to blame Tilted for Watchme's lynch if they flipped town. In general though, the push and vote on Watchme just seemed like something he did out of convenience -- more of a means to an end rather than an actual goal.

Eragon1329 wrote:

Lynch votes

Watchme1|10|Chemist1422, therealet1, TheWabbit, Tiltedcomedian, Google, HTG, Dota2reporter, LOLinghyena, Polypies;JacksonVirgo, 0verki11|5| uzayaltay, SparkingJayYT, Watchme1, AcidicBreeze, MichaelgRook; AcidicBreeze|1|JacksonVirgo; UzayAltay|1|Multiuniverse; No Lynch|0|; Not Voting|2| AlwaysNever, TheDebil


Hammer has dropped. Will take a little bit of time for flavor and stuff. If you see the thread unlocked, do not post!

People on Watchme wagon:
-- Chemist: (not flipped)
-- ET: scum
-- Wabbit: scum
-- Tilted: town
-- Google/Kosmo : (not flipped)
-- HTG: scum
-- Dota: (not flipped)
-- Hyena: (not flipped)
-- Polypies: town

Don't worry. I'm not about to suggest that someone who might have had a townpeek on Watchme was DEFINITELY on the wagon.

However, if someone was,
-- It wasn't someone who has already flipped town. Later [Tilted, Poly].
-- It's not [ET], because we believe his townpeeks are Kosmo and Jackson.
-- It's probably not [Google/Kosmo] due to Kosmo potentially being one of ET's townpeeks.
-- It's probably not [Dota] due to Dota potentially being one of HTG's townpeeks.

That leaves [Wabbit(scum), HTG(scum), Chemist(unflipped), Hyena(town, but unflipped)] who could have a townpeek on Watchme in this scenario.

LOLingHyena wrote:Okay, I'm gonna lay out some major tinfoil that miiiight have some merit?

There was another reason why I thought we had 6 scum this game. Look at the numbers if this is the case:

-- 13 town
-- 6 scum, with 2 town peeks each
-- potentially a total of **12** townpeeked villagers (6 scum x 2 townpeeks = 12 townpeeked villagers) if townpeeks don't intersect

That's all villagers, plus one who isn't townpeeked by any scum.

If we go with the assumptions that we've been making about townpeeks, then we've got something that looks like this at the moment:
-- Debil -> [Uzay, Multi]
-- ET -> [Kosmo, Jackson]
-- HTG -> [Dota, ???]
-- Wabbit -> [???, ???]
-- ??? -> [???, ???]
-- ??? -> [???, ???]

Dead villagers who flipped town:
-- Tilted
-- Watchme
-- Poly
-- Over
-- AlwaysNever

All the above except for at most one should fit into the ??? slots on the right

Remaining alive players:
-- Hyena
-- Chemist
-- Sparking
-- Acidic
-- Michael

All of the above except for at most one should fit into the 2 left ??? slots and the remaining 3 right ??? slots.

What you should take away from this
If there's a way to fill the ??? slots in a way that makes sense, my theory might be true and we might be able to solve the game that way.

Okay, I'm gonna lay out some major tinfoil that miiiight have some merit?

There was another reason why I thought we had 6 scum this game. Look at the numbers if this is the case:

-- 13 town
-- 6 scum, with 2 town peeks each
-- potentially a total of **12** townpeeked villagers (6 scum x 2 townpeeks = 12 townpeeked villagers) if townpeeks don't intersect

That's all villagers, plus one who isn't townpeeked by any scum.

LOLingHyena wrote:

TheWabbit wrote:

dota2reporter wrote:hyena and jackson?

close

it's you and jackson
everything goes back to D1

If scum's townpeeks don't intersect, I think Wabbit is lying here. One of **HTG's** townpeek was probably Dota, and if I'm to believe Sagging's scumslip, one of **their** townpeeks is Jackson. I think Wabbit just tried to mess with us here and just picked two people that were probably already towncleared.

Actually, I take this back. There is a chance that Dota could be Wabbit's townpeek in this scenario, but that would mean Dota wasn't one of HTG's townpeeks.

LOLingHyena wrote:

TheWabbit wrote:

dota2reporter wrote:hyena and jackson?

close

it's you and jackson
everything goes back to D1

If scum's townpeeks don't intersect, I think Wabbit is lying here. One of **HTG's** townpeek was probably Dota, and if I'm to believe Sagging's scumslip, one of **their** townpeeks is Jackson. I think Wabbit just tried to mess with us here and just picked two people that were probably already towncleared.

And Wabbit would try to lie on his way out of the game as scum. That's 100% within his scum range.

TheWabbit wrote:

dota2reporter wrote:hyena and jackson?

close

it's you and jackson
everything goes back to D1

If scum's townpeeks don't intersect, I think Wabbit is lying here. One of **HTG's** townpeek was probably Dota, and if I'm to believe Sagging's scumslip, one of **their** townpeeks is Jackson. I think Wabbit just tried to mess with us here and just picked two people that were probably already towncleared.

Chemist1422 wrote:yeah well

okay I'm not entirely sure what I was gonna follow up with

ugh I need to be getting more sleep

Go and sleep then! Take care of yourself. <3

Chemist1422 wrote:Actually I kinda think you might've been onto something with your kosmo/Jackson take with regards to sagging

Kosmo hasn't really been showing any solving incentive today, and it's possible sagging lied about their townpeeks

I'm glad you picked up on Kosmo not really solving today. I've been waiting to see if she came back and gave some thoughts, and was going to give her another 12 hours before I started prodding her about it.

Chemist1422 wrote:(this is probably the slightly worse option for my mental health fwiw)

Relatable

Chemist1422 wrote:I don't know I have stuff to work out and probably shouldn't be using this as a place to vent

Eh, to be fair, I kinda used the game as a place to vent earlier.

LOLingHyena wrote:

Chemist1422 wrote:I know, so I'm talking from my perspective

I don't think I'm confident enough to say a vengekill target as of right now and would rather have the extra discussion time and ability to go down fighting

That's fair.

And honestly, when you put it like that, that might be a good alternative to having Michael venge you? I'd have to think about it though.

Chemist1422 wrote:I know, so I'm talking from my perspective

I don't think I'm confident enough to say a vengekill target as of right now and would rather have the extra discussion time and ability to go down fighting

That's fair.

On the other hand, if Michael flips scum, that gives you more town cred in my eyes, and I'd probably start looking at other people first before reconsidering you as a lynch option.

LOLingHyena wrote:

Chemist1422 wrote:I mean

I'd legitimately ask Michael to not venge I think

Actually, I did consider this for a moment, but I'm beginning to think you'd always be the next person I'd go after if Michael flipped scum. Thus, Michael not venging you would in effect only postpone your death by a dayphase from my perspective.

Chemist1422 wrote:Also I'm probably gonna check out of thread for a little while but I do want to say I think there's value in trying to end paranoia tomorrow regardless of flips (assuming no nolynch/novenge)

Take care, Chemist. :< /pats

if Michael flipped town** rather

Chemist1422 wrote:I mean

I'd legitimately ask Michael to not venge I think

Actually, I did consider this for a moment, but I'm beginning to think you'd always be the next person I'd go after if Michael flipped scum. Thus, Michael not venging you would in effect only postpone your death by a dayphase from my perspective.

Chemist1422 wrote:Also I'm probably gonna check out of thread for a little while but I do want to say I think there's value in trying to end paranoia tomorrow regardless of flips (assuming no nolynch/novenge)

Take care, Chemist. :< /pats