Virtuoso (Mafia role)

[TheRubyNeko123]

Role name: Virtuoso

Role alignment: Either mafia support or deception

Investigator Result: Medium, Janitor, Retributionist, Necromancer, Trapper, or Virtuoso

Sheriff Result: Mafia

Description: Revives dead mafia spirits from another body.

Abilities: If you click the day icon, you can talk to all mafia members that are dead during the night (You can do this twice)
During the night, if you are not talking to any dead mafia members then you can revive a mafia member. You can choose a mafia member that has been killed and you choose a townie and the mafia member will be revived but they will be revived by a townie's name.

For example: John was an investigator and they got killed by a serial killer. The same night the Janitor, Daniel has been killed. The next night the Virtuoso can revive Daniel, but to the town it will look like John has been revived, and the Janitor's name from then on will be John.

More things: If a mafia member has been revived, then they will get one extra use of their ability from then on. (So if the janitor used his ability twice and died, when he gets revived, he will get to use his ability again, so he will get to use 2 more times)

If a mafia member is revived and a sheriff or investigator checks them, then it will be the normal results of their role. So if they were a janitor and they were revived, it would give janitor investigative and sheriff results.

Lore: There was once a retributionist, they had the ability to revive people, but he could only do it once. One day, the mayor of the town was found, brutally murdered in his bed. Once everyone found out, they turned to the retributionist to revive him. He said that they could just elect a new mayor, but they all wanted the mayor back. So then he decided to revive the mayor during the night. The next morning the mayor was found alive and everyone was happy, but that very night his dearest friend was slaughtered. The retributionist then became very sad, because he couldn't revive his best friend. He went through a state of depression, he was extremely angry at this careless town, because his friend was simply a citizen without any powers or special abilities they only cared for the important people, when eventually the mafia found him. The mafia told him that they could make him get extraordinary powers, even beyond being just a retributionist, but only a retributionist could learn these skills. The mafia said they could teach him if the retributionist would join the mafia. In the blink of an eye the retributionist said yes, and the mafia taught him those powers so he could revive his friend, but while doing that his anger just grew more, he knew the mafia didn't care for his friend and just wanted to use him for their own good. The mafia were smart though, they knew to channel that anger and drive it towards the town. Eventually, the now Virtuoso, has decided to help the mafia destroy this awful town, he didn't even have a care for reviving his friend, he just wanted vengeance.

This was the first time I ever wrote a lore, please tell me anything I can improve on!

[Mystoc]

i have thought about suggesting something like this and it does have merit but there multiple reasons it wont work

it's a forum role not make evil necromancers the rez dead faction members plz read the sticky

also there is a role in coven with that name already you cannot use that name, this also seems like it should be coven role since its magical

this is also disguises evil mafia members as town members and will make it look like they are game throwing when they suddenly side with mafia this can mess with the reporting system

i get what your trying to do make ret not confirmable but there is a very ez counter to this and

that's medium can be told by the dead town member the mafia member took their body

or the real ret rezing someone else since two rezes happen then one must be an evil mafia a simple sheriff check and you done for (most times if not GF) or take a 50 hang one person jail the other

lastly since you wont get their will when rezed a rezed person will instantly be asked to copy and paste their will to prove the have the right will that matches to the dead person's bodies will they took

if they dont have it instantly hanged even giving them access to the bodies will doesnt solve every problem

also you cant revive you mafia member in many town bodies if they cant fake the role. cant do it for mayor transporter escort jailor and invest because those roles are unfakeable (unless the person who died was consig or consort the can fake inves/escort) but town will be on guard from that so largey these role won't work as a suitable body

also since you are forced to wait for a mafia member to die and then hope a town member with an easly fakable role dies you are just waiting doing nothing if with no ability if you die before these conditions are met you were useless the whole game, this role is too all in and swingy and too easily discovered as a fake ret

to successfully fool town the fake ret (necro) must come out and say they are ret or it will look susp that a ret won't reveal who they are since once rezed is used they are largely useless. So to rez one evil the necro must reveal they are fake ret, if the rezed mafia member dies then the fake ret will be soon to follow because it will be clear they are fake ret so you go all in on two members of the mafia to just save one

this is a cool idea but there are way too many counter to this idea and it's to all since the necro needs to actually fake ret and reveal themselves for it to work

i don't not support this cause i think the idea is cool but there are to many barriers to this idea working so it just wont work

[ImposterK]

I want to start off by saying that Necromancer already exists. (The name)

Being able to talk to the dead Mafia members is basically a Medium, the dead Mafia members can tell you the information from the dead Townies.

Having a Mafia member being revived has many problems.
-The other Townies will report the player since they will not vote with the Town.
-If the real Retributionist revives someone, the Town will know that one of those 2 players is in the Mafia.
Spoiler: Mystoc posted while I was writing this, but I basically summarized what he said.

[Mystoc]

yes i pointed alot more problems though

this idea is a cool idea i have thought of posting multiple times but for all the reasons i listed above i determined this role is too swingy and has to many counters to it

so in the game current state this role isn't suitable role for the game

[Shilster]

> Mafioso dies
> Mafioso gets revived and disguises as Sheriff
> Mafioso spams racist shit
> Sheriff gets reported

[Renomash]

I like the idea of it, there's a lot of actions they can perform to confuse town and It sounds sort of like the old version of the disguiser. There's not enough for the town to immediately pinpoint if it's a Virtuoso or a Retributionist, but there's enough for the town to get suspicious. Say, a medium comes in a night after the Virtuoso revived its mafia buddy, the person the mafia buddy is disguised as can reveal that they were switched by a Virtuoso and get the medium to call the revived person out. But this can also work vice-versa, where a Retributionist revives a townie and the dead mafia member alleges that it was the Virtuoso's doing.

Anyways, there may be some easy ways to catch them, but in the end, the Virtuoso is buying the mafia time in any circumstance. What has me concerned though, is if the Spy would see the mafia visit a dead townie at night. Considering how simple Virtuoso can be called out, I'd assume the spy wouldn't see anything, but, it's still a question left in the air. Also, Virtuoso can hide without claiming Retributionist like the other mafia roles who can't easily 'confirm' themselves. It is more of a sit and wait type of role, much like the Ret and it seems most people like to get right into the action (*cough* I'm looking at you, you impatient vigilantes). I do think there are a plentiful amount of ways to catch Virtuoso in the act, and it probably needs some tweaks here and there to improve it.

[Soulshade55r]

They could probably work there way out of the reporting system my main problem is that this role sounds too op for the mafia. (Retri is too Op for the Town don't get me wrong).

[Kidflersh]

Umm... virtuoso means someone skilled in music, not magic

[MaskedPokerFace]

are you new in game? because this is old disguiser and old disguiser has been removed because it caused chaos in game and your idea causes chaos too sorry.

[cupcakeaj2]

Also this is kind of similar to the TG Necromorph

[HereThereEverywhere]

it's a forum role not make evil necromancers the rez dead faction members plz read the sticky

I recommend reading the sticky entirely to everyone, because it says it's a guideline and that you don't have to follow it, it says that those ideas typically don't work, not that they can't work

[Mystoc]

Umm... virtuoso means someone skilled in music, not magic

the role istself is high inbalanced and easly counterable i dont think the name is a top priorty

Virtuoso - a person highly skilled in music or another artistic pursuit

who's to say magically resurrecting your dead evil friends into another person's body isn't an artistic pursuit?

but yea name is weird but really does that matter if the role itself is busted