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[BS4125]

It's from most likely to least likely:

TheWabbit, James, xUltiix (80%)
TheWabbit, Stri, Heavens (15%)
TheWabbit, Stri, xUltiix (5%)
TheWabbit, James, BS4125 (0% because I know I am Cit)

I think we should trust dmsc with igniting James so let's focus on the next Mafia. Shown by the above it's most likely going to be xUltiix, the one who argued with me about making a plan with arrays for a night plan

/unvote
/vote xUltiix

[Jezz92]

There's another option, BS.

[BS4125]

There's another option, BS.

Which one? You as Mafia doesn't really have much evidence really and would go to decimals imo

[Jezz92]

There's another option, BS.

Which one? You as Mafia doesn't really have much evidence really and would go to decimals imo

No I mean for the lynch target. I think it's a win win tbh, provided dmsc is still helping town.
But meh, it's probably a stupid idea...

[BS4125]

It's better not to lynch James though as it saves time where dmsc can ignite him

[Stri]

Question for dmsc:
Why are you so inclined helping us over the maf. I want to know this because I want to be able to trust you 100%.

Also, I'm not sold on xUltiix being maf. He's been really making all the plans for us so far. He played like this last NFM game I was in too and he was town (although, no-one could really know his scum-meta cause he really always rolls town lol). But I need to think about this.

BS, I hope you understand that from my POV you are no confirmed citizen. So Wabbit/James/You is still a possible maf team for me.

[Jezz92]

Ultiix isn't mafia.

Lynch James today. This will 100% confirm stri and heavens as town, or expose both of them as mafia. If James is mafia, dmsc douses bs, if James flips town, dmsc douses one of stri or heavens. This will take complete loyalty from dmsc, however, so we need to question whether or not we can trust him.

[Stri]

Ultiix isn't mafia.

Lynch James today. This will 100% confirm stri and heavens as town, or expose both of them as mafia. If James is mafia, dmsc douses bs, if James flips town, dmsc douses one of stri or heavens. This will take complete loyalty from dmsc, however, so we need to question whether or not we can trust him.

If he can go for his own win, he probably will. Can't blame him for it either, I would do the same in his position.

[BS4125]

BS, I hope you understand that from my POV you are no confirmed citizen. So Wabbit/James/You is still a possible maf team for me.

Yes I do know that but those were from my perspective, your perspectives will be different

[Jezz92]

Ultiix isn't mafia.

Lynch James today. This will 100% confirm stri and heavens as town, or expose both of them as mafia. If James is mafia, dmsc douses bs, if James flips town, dmsc douses one of stri or heavens. This will take complete loyalty from dmsc, however, so we need to question whether or not we can trust him.

If he can go for his own win, he probably will. Can't blame him for it either, I would do the same in his position.

But James is mafia, right? You just checked him. So we should be good, 2v5 at the end of today, dmsc can douse literally anyone, tardis rb's bs, we lynch bs tomorrow (you could even check him just to be 100% sure), and then lynch dmsc the next day. It works just as well as the other plan imo.

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but this statement expressing your concern for dmsc going for his own win almost seems like you know James will be a misslynch.

[Stri]

Ultiix isn't mafia.

Lynch James today. This will 100% confirm stri and heavens as town, or expose both of them as mafia. If James is mafia, dmsc douses bs, if James flips town, dmsc douses one of stri or heavens. This will take complete loyalty from dmsc, however, so we need to question whether or not we can trust him.

If he can go for his own win, he probably will. Can't blame him for it either, I would do the same in his position.

But James is mafia, right? You just checked him. So we should be good, 2v5 at the end of today, dmsc can douse literally anyone, tardis rb's bs, we lynch bs tomorrow (you could even check him just to be 100% sure), and then lynch dmsc the next day. It works just as well as the other plan imo.

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but this statement expressing your concern for dmsc going for his own win almost seems like you know James will be a misslynch.

I'm not sure where I express my concern, I'm just saying, if it's riskier than lynching a cit, I don't wanna do it. If it will still ensure us a win, I'm down. I haven't done the math yet tbh.
Also, I don't like how xUltiix suddenly got 3 (?) votes. I'm not quite sure he's a good lynch today.

[Jezz92]

Risky lynching James? You just revealed him as mafia lmao!

Tonight you can check bs, me or ultiix, tardis can role block any of us, whoever he suspects most. Dmsc can douse whoever the hell he wants, it won't really matter at that point.
Lynching someone you've outed as mafia is more beneficial than picking 1 of 3 possible citizens, no?

[tardispaten]

Ultiix isn't mafia.

Lynch James today. This will 100% confirm stri and heavens as town, or expose both of them as mafia. If James is mafia, dmsc douses bs, if James flips town, dmsc douses one of stri or heavens. This will take complete loyalty from dmsc, however, so we need to question whether or not we can trust him.

If he can go for his own win, he probably will. Can't blame him for it either, I would do the same in his position.

But James is mafia, right? You just checked him. So we should be good, 2v5 at the end of today, dmsc can douse literally anyone, tardis rb's bs, we lynch bs tomorrow (you could even check him just to be 100% sure), and then lynch dmsc the next day. It works just as well as the other plan imo.

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but this statement expressing your concern for dmsc going for his own win almost seems like you know James will be a misslynch.

I'm not sure where I express my concern, I'm just saying, if it's riskier than lynching a cit, I don't wanna do it. If it will still ensure us a win, I'm down. I haven't done the math yet tbh.
Also, I don't like how xUltiix suddenly got 3 (?) votes. I'm not quite sure he's a good lynch today.

He's the thing that bothers me stri. He believed that I didn't rb heavens, after saying that she was rb all of the time and me admitting I rbd her. Not only that, he was puhing my lynch as well as james. That is why I'm thimking he's more likely to be mafia. If we do end up lynching james, then I will have ti decide to rb ulti. Sorry stri, but i think ulti is more scum than bs.

You see my point? That's why I'm more confident on an ulti lynch. Question is, am I right, and do you trust me, cuz I really don't believe his citi claim. Also, I might have figure vanquishers and Olly's role. One of them was definetly citizen, but the other, was a TK. And I'm inclined that one of them is TK

[xUltiix]

/vote James
Lynching me over the person the consig confirmed as citizen nice
Voting me over him is dumb and arguably gamethrowing.

[Stri]

Risky lynching James? You just revealed him as mafia lmao!

Tonight you can check bs, me or ultiix, tardis can role block any of us, whoever he suspects most. Dmsc can douse whoever the hell he wants, it won't really matter at that point.
Lynching someone you've outed as mafia is more beneficial than picking 1 of 3 possible citizens, no?

Okay so let's put the scenarios out here, we currently have 8 people of which 3 are scum:
We lynch james. maf kills someone. We have 6 people of which 2 are scum. majority.
We lynch a cit. In the case we lynch right, maf will be 100% surely role blocked that night. the next day we know James and the arso. Done, no matter if the arso ignites or not.
We lynch a cit. In the case we misslynch it's 7 people out of which 3 are scum. Maf kills someone, 6 people and 3 are scum. 50/50 scenario.

Which means, lynching james is our best option then? I don't like relying on the arso's plans since he will 100% surely backstab us if he can win.

[xUltiix]

Also if Stri is mafia this town is done because all of this town are sheep and will follow him

[tardispaten]

Risky lynching James? You just revealed him as mafia lmao!

Tonight you can check bs, me or ultiix, tardis can role block any of us, whoever he suspects most. Dmsc can douse whoever the hell he wants, it won't really matter at that point.
Lynching someone you've outed as mafia is more beneficial than picking 1 of 3 possible citizens, no?

Okay so let's put the scenarios out here, we currently have 8 people of which 3 are scum:
We lynch james. maf kills someone. We have 6 people of which 2 are scum. majority.
We lynch a cit. In the case we lynch right, maf will be 100% surely role blocked that night. the next day we know James and the arso. Done, no matter if the arso ignites or not.
We lynch a cit. In the case we misslynch it's 7 people out of which 3 are scum. Maf kills someone, 6 people and 3 are scum. 50/50 scenario.

Which means, lynching james is our best option then? I don't like relying on the arso's plans since he will 100% surely backstab us if he can win.

Can I ake an input please stri? Lynch ulti, I'll block James as DMSC ignites. Simple as!

[Stri]

Also if Stri is mafia this town is done because all of this town are sheep and will follow him

lololol, I wish I was, this game would have been in the bag.

Can we get a vote count?

[Jezz92]

Stri, yes, James is the best option. You found him as mafia. So vote for him. Much better than choosing between three citizens. If James is town, you're exposed. Heavens too. But, he's mafia for sure, so it's fine.

Ultiix, listen. Does stri's lack of motivation to lynch James seem odd to you in any way?

[tardispaten]

Stri, yes, James is the best option. You found him as mafia. So vote for him. Much better than choosing between three citizens. If James is town, you're exposed. Heavens too. But, he's mafia for sure, so it's fine.

Ultiix, listen. Does stri's lack of motivation to lynch James seem odd to you in any way?

Fine... if we do James now, who should I rb before we end up quick hammering again

[Jezz92]

Stri, yes, James is the best option. You found him as mafia. So vote for him. Much better than choosing between three citizens. If James is town, you're exposed. Heavens too. But, he's mafia for sure, so it's fine.

Ultiix, listen. Does stri's lack of motivation to lynch James seem odd to you in any way?

Fine... if we do James now, who should I rb before we end up quick hammering again

In all honesty, it depends what James flips.

[Stri]

Stri, yes, James is the best option. You found him as mafia. So vote for him. Much better than choosing between three citizens. If James is town, you're exposed. Heavens too. But, he's mafia for sure, so it's fine.

Ultiix, listen. Does stri's lack of motivation to lynch James seem odd to you in any way?

Sigh, Jezz, I'm not sure why you are targetting me here. I've never said it's riskier lynching James, I just said I didn't look at any scenario yet. After that, I sketched all the scenario's, and voila! I think there's enough motivation to lynch james in there. Have I missed anything?

Also, I'm not voting until I see a vote count.

[Stri]

Risky lynching James? You just revealed him as mafia lmao!

Tonight you can check bs, me or ultiix, tardis can role block any of us, whoever he suspects most. Dmsc can douse whoever the hell he wants, it won't really matter at that point.
Lynching someone you've outed as mafia is more beneficial than picking 1 of 3 possible citizens, no?

Okay so let's put the scenarios out here, we currently have 8 people of which 3 are scum:
We lynch james. maf kills someone. We have 6 people of which 2 are scum. majority.
We lynch a cit. In the case we lynch right, maf will be 100% surely role blocked that night. the next day we know James and the arso. Done, no matter if the arso ignites or not.
We lynch a cit. In the case we misslynch it's 7 people out of which 3 are scum. Maf kills someone, 6 people and 3 are scum. 50/50 scenario.

Which means, lynching james is our best option then? I don't like relying on the arso's plans since he will 100% surely backstab us if he can win.

Can I ake an input please stri? Lynch ulti, I'll block James as DMSC ignites. Simple as!

Great plan, except when xUltiix flips town and dmsc won't ignite. It relies too much on dmsc.

[xUltiix]

The only scenario in which we win is in if Stri is town.
@Jezz idk but its 2am and even if he is mafia there's really nothing I can do about everyone following him

[Jezz92]

I am just...freaking out right now. I don't know who to trust.

Maybe I'm over thinking things, idk.