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greenrabbit7 wrote:Alright, reading through, I think I have a mafia team I am sure, without any doubt in my mind, about.

The first member, the godfather:
Spoiler: Mario.

Now, why is he so outspoken? It's simple, he's fearless, he's the head of the mafia and not afraid to say or do whatever he wants. He's ns to a sherrif and immune to a vig, so he acts like he does because he simply can. Due to his more recent and accusatory posts, I believe that he is mafia against chemist, but by extension, chemist seems to be good.

The second member, the janitor:
Spoiler: Apprentice.

Apprentice is the janitor because he cleaned jalandh who was likely TI, and wanted to lynch debil and pretend there was a framer or w/e but got caught. Not much needs to be said, here, other then that much.

The third member, the consort:
Spoiler: Chemist.

Why chemist? I think chemist didn't rb anyone and rbed mario to confirm him as a cit due to his unruly behavior, and is getting upset with mario. Mario, however, is getting upset with him too and as such is voting him. Chemist wants mario to just lay low and be a townie, and mario wants to have fun. Both good goals.

Thoughts on this list?

SushiMartyr wrote:

UzayAltay wrote:

Phone0Ix wrote:

greenrabbit7 wrote:

Phone0Ix wrote:Something that could cause ppl to town read Apprentice and I'm posting it to keep options open:

http://blankmediagames.com/phpbb/viewto ... 5#p2987125

This is their 3rd post. First was hello, second was the reaction on my post and now this post. Posting quality since start shows town motivation tbh...

I actually agree, he had really good content early game and was a really strong townread for me, but as we've progressed... well, to me at least, he's gotten worse and worse. Do his recent posts seem town motivated?

Well if the reaction test is real, it shows town motivation. On the other side, what I just came up with: What if Apprentice is scum, and used the reaction test to gain town's trust but it only backfired?

I Dont think he reaction tested . I am not Also thinking scum!he Did that for gain town 's trust by reaction test . I think he tried to mislynch Our TI with A Sheriff claim , Than realized he is gonna lynched not Sheriff , and try to out of that with taking back The claim . Than he again realized it wont Work , too , decided to claim TI again with hope We Will keep him alive .
And I think he scumslipped with Debil is town post , not sure If he decide to take back claim after The slip or before , but I feel it is after and it is A legit scumslip .

@ Uzay: (quoting your old post since you linked to it) I don't think Apprentice would try to mislynch the TI by cc'ing him if he were scum because of the fact that once we lynched Debil and saw his real role, people would be suspicious of Apprentice almost immediately. He'd be putting a Vigilante target on his back, for one thing, and if he survived the night people would be suspicious of him the next day. True, we have one unclaimed RT slot, but I don't know if people would believe him.

I had forgotten about that post that indicated he thinks Debil is Town (it's the post in which he accuses Fifth, if I'm not mistaken). That does seem a little strange to me; I'll need to look back over what was going on at that point.

xApprenticex wrote:

UzayAltay wrote:

SushiMartyr wrote:I don't know if M1ss would be the best Vig target anymore. I think the sheer number of times Apprentice has changed their claim is actually a pretty good sign that they're Town-aligned: I could see a more confident mafia member possibly faking a reaction test, but not switching their claim after "revealing" themselves as Citizen. Chemist I'm leaning Town on-- yes, I know he's an experienced player who would be able to avoid the most common pitfalls newer players make as scum, but his posts seem logical and I don't think RBing Mario N1 was necessarily a scum move. M1ss is still hard for me to get a good read on, which is why I'd be hesitant to shoot her. Mario seems Townie to me in that I think he's standing out too much with his quirky posts to be mafia, and he's confirmed not to be Janitor if Chemist was telling the truth (which I think he is).

Rabbit, if you really are BG, protecting one of those four-- or yourself, since you don't kill your attacker when self-vesting-- would ensure that I don't shoot the person you're protecting, thus killing both of us. The worst-case scenario of three Town members dying in one night (the two of us and the person the mafia attack) would give the mafia a pretty big advantage, especially since there's only 8 Town members left alive right now.

As of right now, I think the person I'm most suspicious of would be Fifth. He's claimed Citizen and seems to be accusing Apprentice and Chemist pretty heavily without examining the other side of the coin-- that is, why they might logically do the actions they've done as Town-- and without seeming to consider Chemist's defense. He also seems pretty aggressive, but Kears got really worked up when we started to question her as well (accusing the people who voted her of being mafia, etc.), so I don't know if that by itself is scummy.

If he is scum, a part of me wonders if rabbit is also scum, since the two of them have been agreeing on most things and I haven't seen a lot of conflict or seriously challenging each other's opinions between them, but it's still possible that Rabbit is Town. Also, there's the fact of rabbit being the only TP claim. It's possible that Jaland was the real TP and rabbit is Janitor (don't know if any other mafia role would know Jaland's role at this point, since there's no day chat), but that's not a risk I would be willing to take. Not right now, anyway.

I'm unsure about pretty much everyone else.

Chemist, could you explain why you're scumreading Phone again? None of their posts have really stood out to me.

The problem is he havent changed claim at Normal times . He back his claim with A slip , even he isnt accepting that . And This happens when he is L1. Than he claims his role as citizen , Why would A TI claim citizen when they are on L1 ? I cant see that .
If he had back his claim in A normal way in A normal time , Than I could think on that , but This is not The case here .

I think This is What happens in fact : #2994458

Sacrificing a Mafia member to do that is incredibly stupid. Especially since Debil is a bad and a dumb player and not a threat at all IF he was Town.

ZzFifthElementzZ wrote:Sorry for the cluttering of the quotations. But I feel as though it's less of a nuisance to not spoiler them. Perhaps i'm wrong, but that doesn't matter.

SushiMartyr wrote:I don't know if M1ss would be the best Vig target anymore. I think the sheer number of times Apprentice has changed their claim is actually a pretty good sign that they're Town-aligned: I could see a more confident mafia member possibly faking a reaction test, but not switching their claim after "revealing" themselves as Citizen. Chemist I'm leaning Town on-- yes, I know he's an experienced player who would be able to avoid the most common pitfalls newer players make as scum, but his posts seem logical and I don't think RBing Mario N1 was necessarily a scum move. M1ss is still hard for me to get a good read on, which is why I'd be hesitant to shoot her. Mario seems Townie to me in that I think he's standing out too much with his quirky posts to be mafia, and he's confirmed not to be Janitor if Chemist was telling the truth (which I think he is).

Rabbit, if you really are BG, protecting one of those four-- or yourself, since you don't kill your attacker when self-vesting-- would ensure that I don't shoot the person you're protecting, thus killing both of us. The worst-case scenario of three Town members dying in one night (the two of us and the person the mafia attack) would give the mafia a pretty big advantage, especially since there's only 8 Town members left alive right now.

As of right now, I think the person I'm most suspicious of would be Fifth. He's claimed Citizen and seems to be accusing Apprentice and Chemist pretty heavily without examining the other side of the coin-- that is, why they might logically do the actions they've done as Town-- and without seeming to consider Chemist's defense. He also seems pretty aggressive, but Kears got really worked up when we started to question her as well (accusing the people who voted her of being mafia, etc.), so I don't know if that by itself is scummy.

If he is scum, a part of me wonders if rabbit is also scum, since the two of them have been agreeing on most things and I haven't seen a lot of conflict or seriously challenging each other's opinions between them, but it's still possible that Rabbit is Town. Also, there's the fact of rabbit being the only TP claim. It's possible that Jaland was the real TP and rabbit is Janitor (don't know if any other mafia role would know Jaland's role at this point, since there's no day chat), but that's not a risk I would be willing to take. Not right now, anyway.

I'm unsure about pretty much everyone else.

Chemist, could you explain why you're scumreading Phone again? None of their posts have really stood out to me.

ZzFifthElementzZ wrote:

Chemist1422 wrote:

ZzFifthElementzZ wrote:

Chemist1422 wrote:

ZzFifthElementzZ wrote:

MoustachioMario wrote:Can I hammer now?

Yup. Do it. Im annoyed with Apprentice so much. If he flips town, and Sushi is going to shoot me, i'm replacing out.

:HyperFaceDesk:

Be quiet Chemist. I'm foeing you after this match.

The idiocy of players in this game, after I have maintained so much effort to push/support as much as I can, and still be found scum, is overwhelming to the point of desperation.
Whereas, you've got players who have matched the quantity of effort as I have, and are found town?.

Geezus christ.

Well, I'd like to remind you that this exact same thing happened with me yesterday and you're blaming me for it. To bring this back to the game, you seem like you're pushing an agenda with posts like these after pushing me for this most of today.

I have reasonable information to push you. You're just instigating posts for self-pleasure which fucked me off.
Uzay is stupid for thinking that I am using OMGUS, when I was literally defending myself from you. Does he seriously expect me to act only when I am at like L-2 when you're pushing me?. I think the fuck not. I'll start pushing you back, from the beginning, not the end.

ZzFifthElementzZ wrote:

Chemist1422 wrote:

ZzFifthElementzZ wrote:

Chemist1422 wrote:

ZzFifthElementzZ wrote:TOWN NOW. WHY NOW, LOL.

Chemist is soooo scummy, hehehehheheheeh.

SO quick to have Mario back on his "top-list".

MECHANICAL EVIDENCE

I ROLEBLOCKED HIM AND THERE WAS A CLEAN

Yeah. That also confirms Mario as not GF either.

How do you know Gf did the kill?

Well. I don't suppose you expect to be roleblocked either?
Plus. The RM's are more likely to use their "investigating/framing/blocking" roles early in game.

ZzFifthElementzZ wrote:

UzayAltay wrote:

ZzFifthElementzZ wrote:Well Uzay. If Chemist wants to have me voted out, giving the amount of effort i've placed into playing this, I will repel.(This is not OMGUS, just defending myself really)

Umm can You say me This with an English I can understand ?

Chemist has perfectly stated:
"I wouldn't mind joining a fifth wagon"
"lets cfd to fifth"

So I am going to simply push back at him. Knowing I am a citizen myself, if chemist is pushing on me, i'm going to find that extremely suspicious. "OMGUS" means "Oh my god you suck", which refers to player A voting for player B, and player B votes player A because they voted for them. (Does that make sense)

ZzFifthElementzZ wrote:Well Uzay. If Chemist wants to have me voted out, giving the amount of effort i've placed into playing this, I will repel.(This is not OMGUS, just defending myself really)

xApprenticex wrote:

ZzFifthElementzZ wrote:

xApprenticex wrote:

ZzFifthElementzZ wrote:The reason being was this:

Chemist, being the experienced player he is, knowing that if he hadn't claimed being escort early throughout the day, it would have lead to major suspicion. Which is completely true, yes?. You don't roleblock someone who we all sensed a PR soft-claim from, and claim that you roleblocked them .. lets say, d3. Because then you'll know that you would be hammered faster than Bob the Builder can do it.

Whereas, if you claim earlier it seems to be less suspicious, and you can claim a small explanation that could overthrow your scummy intentions.

He could’ve claimed Citizen or any of the TIs or TPs more easily.

TP?, against Greenrabbit?
Citizen, against the other 6 of us? excluding Kears?

If he had claimed Cit, he would have gotten shit about his hammering...

Escort is a RT claim, TP wouldve been a TP/RT claim. TP is an easier claim and safer claim than Escort + claiming Escort is gamethrowing pretty much because Consort is turned into negative utility and an escort cant accidentally rb PRs since we mass claimed so the Consort is a Goon for mafia pretty much and he may have to RB a Mafia m

ZzFifthElementzZ wrote:

xApprenticex wrote:I was already one of the highest Town reads in the entire game. What was the point of me gaining trust from a reaction test. The logic for that makes no sense.

Funny thing is. You never once considered that Chemist could be consort?, and that both yourself and Debil could be TI/RT.
Even if you believe that Chemist is town, it is always a good thing to reconsider the option that he may not be.

So, why didn't you?

You
Don’t
Fake
Claim
Escort,
Never

MafiaMenace wrote:whats happening

xApprenticex wrote:I was already one of the highest Town reads in the entire game. What was the point of me gaining trust from a reaction test. The logic for that makes no sense.

greenrabbit7 wrote:My question is, if Mario was one of chemist's top townreads, why would chemist roleblock them?

ZzFifthElementzZ wrote:

UzayAltay wrote:

greenrabbit7 wrote:

ZzFifthElementzZ wrote:

Phone0Ix wrote:Did Mario have a chance to explain it btw?

Let's be real here. We all assumed that Mario wasn't Cit d1, even when he voted we still thought the same.
So why would you have him roleblocked?

Roleblocking a PR soft-claim = Scummy.

honestly d1 i thought mario was just a weird scum who was out there. But I'm fairly certian chemist thought he was town, so i dont know why he'd rb him.

Wait are You sure ?ıf This is right it seems really Weird .

Well Uzay, go look at Mario's post from d1 and you tell me if you think that would be a scum play. It doesn't make logical sense to me, but it could be because Mario is new and wouldn't understand how to play mafia properly.

greenrabbit7 wrote:

ZzFifthElementzZ wrote:

Phone0Ix wrote:Did Mario have a chance to explain it btw?

Let's be real here. We all assumed that Mario wasn't Cit d1, even when he voted we still thought the same.
So why would you have him roleblocked?

Roleblocking a PR soft-claim = Scummy.

honestly d1 i thought mario was just a weird scum who was out there. But I'm fairly certian chemist thought he was town, so i dont know why he'd rb him.

ZzFifthElementzZ wrote:

Chemist1422 wrote:

ZzFifthElementzZ wrote:

greenrabbit7 wrote:

ZzFifthElementzZ wrote:Ooh, the comments seem spicy.

Also guys, what if both Apprentice and Debil are innocent?. I was thinking really hard about it last night, and that Chemist may be Consort, and with other people.

I STRONGLY doubt apprentice is innocent, but maybe Debil. I'd say im strong enough on debil to not ask vig to shoot them-- maybe m1ss or somethin

Yes. But last time we were strong about Kears being scum, and look how that turned out. I'm going to spend atleast an hour to analyse Apprentice, because I think we've gone into too fast.

Also, I still don't understand why Chemist would roleblock Mario, as we suspected a soft-claim of PR from him d1....Soo that definitely wasn't a town-motivated move on his behalf.

I've already explained, I don't like Mario just jumping on the Kears wagon when it was at L-2.

THIS IS THE MOST STUPIDEST REASON I'VE SEEN. Why hadn't I called you out on this earlier. I don't mean to intrude, but Mario has been acting silly this whole game. When it came to the closing votes on Kears, perhaps he took the evidence into recall and voted. Why does his vote at the timing, over rule mine when I was the one who started the vote against Kears. PLUS, your vote was L-1 and you hammered it?.

Everyone should suggest pushing Chemist. No one EVER should roleblock a soft-claim of PR, EVER.

MoustachioMario wrote:If 3 people quote this post
I will hammer them
Otherwise HI Don't shoot me I am cit

Phone0Ix wrote:

greenrabbit7 wrote:

Phone0Ix wrote:Something that could cause ppl to town read Apprentice and I'm posting it to keep options open:

http://blankmediagames.com/phpbb/viewto ... 5#p2987125

This is their 3rd post. First was hello, second was the reaction on my post and now this post. Posting quality since start shows town motivation tbh...

I actually agree, he had really good content early game and was a really strong townread for me, but as we've progressed... well, to me at least, he's gotten worse and worse. Do his recent posts seem town motivated?

Well if the reaction test is real, it shows town motivation. On the other side, what I just came up with: What if Apprentice is scum, and used the reaction test to gain town's trust but it only backfired?